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Anti-authoritarian, bleeding-heart Stirnerite, ☯️. Banned in Sweden. SubGenius, Zhuangist, white-hat troll. Defrocked mathematician. Brain problems.

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    1. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 19 Oct 2018
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      Egregores are composed of, *run on*, multiple human brains, potentially millions of them, but they are (usually) far less complex, *lower-dimensional*, than humans. It's a bandwidth issue: an egregore doesn't only rely on language for transmission, but for all of its cognition.

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      Written language allowed egregores to advance in complexity by using text as long-term storage -- holy writ, contracts, regulations etc. This allows an advanced egregore a degree of independence from individual minds. But most egregores are much smaller and more primitive.

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    3. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 19 Oct 2018
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      This is why a fully owned human sounds eerily like a simple computer program when carrying out the egregore's will: the egregore is much simpler than the mind hosting it.

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    4. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 19 Oct 2018
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      As a footnote, this suggests a strategy for resisting egregore infection: When you notice everyone agreeing on some subject, train yourself to avoid that subject and reserve judgment. Kneejerk contrarianism isn't enough, not "you're wrong!" but "I dunno about that."

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    5. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 19 Oct 2018
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      To clarify: Train yourself to avoid _discussing_ that subject, or repeating what you hear. If you choose to _investigate_ the subject, that's great, but it isn't always practical. Remaining ignorant of the media explosion du jour is always a wise choice.

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    6. dicey fitz‏ @dicey__ 21 Oct 2018
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      Interesting. So but is there a mode of collective action that doesn’t fit this definition of egregore? I guess when people are knowingly aligned instead of just by subconscious assumption? But even that might have non-self-aware participants. Can something be part-egregore?

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    7. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 21 Oct 2018
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      "Egregore" is an extended metaphor for trying to understand the behavior of groups of humans that behave as-if they had agency separate from the constituent humans. How relevant that metaphor is varies.

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    8. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 21 Oct 2018
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      I think "collective action" is virtually always evil and I personally avoid it at all costs, but I'm not going to claim that's intrinsic to the model, or that the model is universally applicable.

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      St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 21 Oct 2018
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      But to get back to your question, certainly there are individual humans who are skilled at assembling mobs and sending them after their enemies, for instance.

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        2. dicey fitz‏ @dicey__ 21 Oct 2018
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          Yes, but that’s not really collective action. That is people being exploited and guided by a force that is for all intents and purposes external to whatever group is being flimflammed. I am taking about a group that chooses to work together, that shares values and understandings.

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        3. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 21 Oct 2018
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          You asked a question, I gave an answer. Not here for an argument, have a great evening.

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