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    1. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff 23 Aug 2019
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      Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️) Retweeted Kenneth Folk

      I want to call the QT below the turiya-only or nondual-only school of enlightenment. My take: 1. Sainthood is a worthy journey & asymptotic ideal. 2, 3. It's hard, and people self-deceive, lie, or are simply mistaken. 4. Yes, "purification." 5. No, one-step "awakeness."https://twitter.com/KennethFolk/status/1164971843033473024 …

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      Kenneth Folk @KennethFolk
      Here's a model I find useful: 1. There are no saints 2. If you think you're a saint, you're mistaken 3. If somebody tells you they're a saint, they're lying 4. Meditation will not "purify" you of anger or desire 5. Awakeness happens now when you notice what's going on
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    2. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff 23 Aug 2019
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      It seems like a lot of people have given up on meditation being a tool for a particular type of transformation, and, I mean it *has* failed in its current and probably most past forms. But, I don't think buddhahood and sainthood come from pure sociopathic social gaming.

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    3. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff 23 Aug 2019
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      Nor are they purely naive, scattershot extrapolation. There's a thing, there. The path is fraught, for the individual and the community. But there's a thing, there, and we shouldn't give up on it. Maybe emphasize its asymptotic, patchily and nonmonotonically approached nature.

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    4. Michael Taft 空‏ @OortCloudAtlas 23 Aug 2019
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      You seem to be talking about nothing more than trying to be a better person. Which is of course a worthy ideal.

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    5. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff 23 Aug 2019
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      That's right. But, there's a caricature of the meditator obsessively meditating to become a better person while only becoming more neurotic and dangerous, even as they touch emptiness, nonduality, whatever.

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    6. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff 23 Aug 2019
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      And I'm saying that meditation does not have to be quasi-orthogonal to becoming a better person, that the meditator can meditate to directly become a better person without falling into that caricature. But the methods need to be clarified.

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    7. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff 23 Aug 2019
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      Instead of saying "meditation can't do that; use different tools; if anyone claims it can they are mistaken, possibly self-harming, and/or social gaming" I'm saying, let's fix the popular conception of meditation, because it can be used for things besides nondual-only.

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    8. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff 23 Aug 2019
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      I suppose it's not even the popular conception. if I may... broke: relax, de-stress, be spiritual woke: holy shit dark night and sociopaths bespoke: broadband self-transformation

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    9. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff 23 Aug 2019
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      In my model, expanding emptiness and deepening nondual realization are both incidental side-effects as well as a functional platform for becoming a better person, and "meditation," not too different from noting/concentration/etc., can be a mainline workhorse for that becoming.

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      Parletre‏ @SpeakingSubject 23 Aug 2019
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      Your writings are very intriguing, but I have to say after having spent about an hour on your blog I can’t get any sense of what you’re proposing methodologically.

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        1. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff 23 Aug 2019
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          Almost all of my methodology isn't public, until I collect more safety data. In progress. People can apply for early access. It's not an ideal situation.https://meditationstuff.wordpress.com/2019/06/18/applications-for-working-notes-access-are-soft-open/ …

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