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    #StillNotEqual‏ @SoapboxO May 2

    I'm not sure the incel argument is inherently misogynistic. They are turning to misogyny because there's no coherent explanation on the left. Maybe an easier way to think about it is female incels. Wouldn't we normally sympathize?https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/opinion/incels-sex-robots-redistribution.html …

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      1. #StillNotEqual‏ @SoapboxO May 3

        Not surprised at all that "incel" was originally coined by a woman to describe her own experience. It seems like misogynist male incels have allowed themselves to be trapped in attractiveness hierarchies, a mental prison. Why not meet a nice female incel?https://splinternews.com/unfuckable-women-dont-go-on-killing-sprees-1825746733 …

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      2. Jon Ben-Menachem‏ @jbenmenachem May 2
        Replying to @SoapboxO

        You gotta visit one of the forums to understand the misogyny. It’s not that celibacy is misogynistic—rather, the belief that men are owed sex from women and men can collectively fantasize about physically harming women who refuse them is misogyny.

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      3. #StillNotEqual‏ @SoapboxO May 2
        Replying to @jbenmenachem

        I can imagine, resentment and an incel echo chamber online. It's just that arguments have to be separated from the socialized misogyny. A sexual order with privileged wealthy white males at the top of the hierarchy is not my first thought for a leftist posture.

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      4. Jon Ben-Menachem‏ @jbenmenachem May 2
        Replying to @SoapboxO

        That’s so not what incels are protesting against. I’m a big fan of the @okcupid reports about racial bias in dating—but we don’t have any evidence to suggest that incels are not white and affluent. Also, there are better ways to respond to rejection. incels aren’t victims

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      5. Jon Ben-Menachem‏ @jbenmenachem May 2
        Replying to @jbenmenachem @SoapboxO @okcupid

        Men can support each other emotionally through rejection without drinking the kool-aid of self-victimization.

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      6. #StillNotEqual‏ @SoapboxO May 2
        Replying to @jbenmenachem @okcupid

        It's a mistake to focus on them and their misogynistic response. Because of the taint of how these questions arose, people seem uncomfortable digging deeper. Which is usually my cue to jump in :) As I said in my original post, examine a sexual order that creates female incels.

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      7. Jon Ben-Menachem‏ @jbenmenachem May 2
        Replying to @SoapboxO @okcupid

        I think the concept of “woman incel”—as we currently understand the definition of “incel”—is incoherent. I agree that norms around sexuality question the personal value of those who have reduced access to sex, but don’t agree that a “root cause” analysis justifies incel behavior.

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      8. #StillNotEqual‏ @SoapboxO May 2
        Replying to @jbenmenachem @okcupid

        Well and that's the discomfort that I'm talking about. No one wants to confirm the existence of something that incels will use to justify misogyny. Just winging this topic, but I thought it's involuntarily celibate. Plenty of those women too, no?

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      9. Jon Ben-Menachem‏ @jbenmenachem May 2
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        Involuntary celibacy itself is also incoherent.https://twitter.com/mountain_goats/status/989297058782830593?s=21 …

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        celibacy is a state of voluntary renunciation btw. no such thing as "involuntary celibacy." "incels" should be called "dwsoeisottptwgws," which is short for "dudes whose sense of entitlement is severely off-putting to the people they wanna get with." please fix this, thanks
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      2. MorinMoss‏ @MorinMoss May 2
        Replying to @SoapboxO

        Go read Rodger's manifesto My Twisted World - if self-pitying autobiographies needed a reference manual, it would qualify

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      3. #StillNotEqual‏ @SoapboxO May 2
        Replying to @MorinMoss

        I'm not getting any love for my transgressive take today, I see. Still would love to hear any on point responses on structures that produce lonely women.

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      4. MorinMoss‏ @MorinMoss May 2
        Replying to @SoapboxO

        Are there forums of such women plotting murderous rampages or bashing attractive males for not wanting to fuck them?

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      5. #StillNotEqual‏ @SoapboxO May 2
        Replying to @MorinMoss

        That actually proves the point that I was making. The misogyny is separate, it's not inherent to what is being said.

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      6. MorinMoss‏ @MorinMoss May 2
        Replying to @SoapboxO

        Hardly. I don't claim to know what went wrong with these men but they're misogynists to the core. They are NOT interested in women, beyond lusting after their bodies or the status boost they think will be theirs from having the right kind of arm candy

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