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    Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

    Many don't seem to understand why I object to @Telegram having unsafe, censorable public channels in an app that is promoted as a secure messenger. Some presumed I just don't understand how channels work. So let's talk about it:

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      2. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

        Background: @Telegram has a special position in Iran. Its "public channels" are an important source of news for many low-tech users. Competing services are often blocked, but Telegram makes concessions to avoid this (like setting up local CDNs https://www.iranhumanrights.org/2017/07/telegrams-efforts-to-increase-download-speed-in-iran-could-aid-state-censors/ … ).

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      3. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

        This is both a good and bad thing. On one hand, keeping people who don't understand and will never learn what Tor and VPNs connected to a big and difficult-to-moderate communications ecosystem is valuable, when the government largely has but two moves: "block" or "not block."

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      4. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

        On the other, it means @Telegram will face increasing pressure over time to collaborate with the Iranian government's demands for this or that. Today we saw the communications minister demand a big channel be shut down. And here's where we start getting into complexity.

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      5. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

        Should Telegram shut one Iranian channel down to preserve access to all the others? Most would say "of course." It's more important to keep that tether to their ecosystem alive, right? They're in something close to a monopoly position, where the fallback for many is unsafe SMS.

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      6. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

        If we presume @Durov is acting morally, this might sound like an argument for Telegram to do whatever they can to keep their Iranian presence alive. But this is unsustainable, which he should know: after all, he was forced from Russia for not doing enough favors at Vkontakte.

        22 replies 287 retweets 942 likes
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      7. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

        You can't keep an independent, destabilizing service from being blocked in authoritarian regimes, you can only delay it. So you need to be thinking about how to continuing protecting people by making the service accessible *even after the block.*

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      8. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

        And this is where we start getting to my core concerns. @Telegram has for years faced criticisms about the basic structure of its security by prominent cryptographers and technologists. Many defenses rely upon unbroken trust in a central authority (the company). "Trust us."

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      9. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

        Trust us not to turn over data. Trust us not to read your messages. Trust us not to close your channel. Maybe @Durov is an angel. I hope so! But angels have fallen before. Telegram should have been working to make channels decentralized—meaning outside their control—for years.

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      10. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

        We've seen some improvements, and that's not nothing. But not the revolutionary rework it needs. Telegram still seems to encourage dangerous cloud messaging instead of secret chats. Experts ask "why?" And the answer is "convenience." That's unsafe.

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      11. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

        Governments are becoming more abusive, not less, on the internet, especially in places like Iran, China, and Russia. @Durov said @Telegram has 25,000,000 daily users in Iran. He could be converting them all to 2FA. He could be teaching them how to use Tor bridges. I hope he will.

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      12. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

        Governments learn slowly, but they do learn. There comes a day when it will be too late to fix these problems, and I fear it is sooner than we think.

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      13. End of conversation
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      2. Node‏ @imjustanode 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Snowden @telegram

        I appreciate your efforts in security but you also praise Signal to be the holy grail, whereas giving your *real* phone number to everyone who wants/needs to communicate with you is bad for security overall.

        12 replies 1 retweet 60 likes
      3. Fidel Castro‏ @Nicootho 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @imjustanode @Snowden @telegram

        I agree that Signal might want to look into secure alternatives to providing your phone number. However Signal is the *securest* messenger app, not the most private, and I believe Snowden’s been honest about it being the most secure.

        2 replies 2 retweets 32 likes
      4. Node‏ @imjustanode 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Nicootho @Snowden @telegram

        Assuming something is the *securest* is the biggest insecurity there is.

        2 replies 1 retweet 20 likes
      5. Tim‏ @TNC1968 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @imjustanode @Nicootho and

        I disagree. Assuming something is 100% secure us the problem. Working with something that is more secure than the other options (the most secure) is your best option.

        1 reply 1 retweet 50 likes
      6. Den omreisende trubadurtroppen Ja til Børge i Oslo‏ @forteller 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @TNC1968 @imjustanode and

        He has also said some times that @wire is as secure if you don't want to give your number. Check it out.

        1 reply 1 retweet 20 likes
      7. Fidel Castro‏ @Nicootho 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @forteller @TNC1968 and

        I’m aware of Wire just waiting for some more security reviews & audits before I check it out. I do sometimes recommend it as an alternative to Signal though.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      8. Mr. PReimers‏ @MrPReimers 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Nicootho @forteller and

        I prefer @ThreemaApp. It doesn’t require a phone number nor an email you just get an ID.

        1 reply 2 retweets 15 likes
      9. Fidel Castro‏ @Nicootho 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @MrPReimers @forteller and

        Isn’t it also closed source or am I mistaken

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
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      2. Reza Mohammadi Ghayeghchi‏ @remohammadi 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Snowden @telegram

        Yes, it's unsafe. But in my view, Telegram has chosen a reasonable balance between being secure and giving control to the government. Being censorable is not as bad as giving access to the private data of users. You should know about the power struggle in Iran, to understand ..

        4 replies 5 retweets 66 likes
      3. Reza Mohammadi Ghayeghchi‏ @remohammadi 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @remohammadi @Snowden @telegram

        .. why Telegram is not "filtered" yet. The current government doesn't like Telegram to be filtered, because they have not much influence on IRIB. Telegram has helped them through the previous elections. But they can't keep Telegram accessible unless they show that Telegram is ..

        2 replies 3 retweets 33 likes
      4. Reza Mohammadi Ghayeghchi‏ @remohammadi 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @remohammadi @Snowden @telegram

        censorable. An uncensorable media is not a tolerable option for the security organizations of Iran. And unfortunately there are rules passed by Iranian parliaments which allow them to control the Internet.

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