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    1. Vess‏ @VessOnSecurity 15 Nov 2017
      Replying to @VessOnSecurity @Snowden

      You can say that the VEP process has flaws - but you can't blame the NSA for not following it in this case.

      9 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
    2. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 15 Nov 2017
      Replying to @VessOnSecurity

      Respectfully, I disagree. That policy permits a thing does not by itself establish its propriety. NSA willfully concealed a catastrophic vulnerability for *years* -- in a manner demonstrably harmful to general welfare. They focused on what they *could* do rather than *should* do.

      3 replies 9 retweets 41 likes
    3. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 15 Nov 2017
      Replying to @Snowden @VessOnSecurity

      You may be misreading my contention as "NSA doesn't comply with the VEP." My argument (see original tweets) is that the VEP is broken.

      1 reply 6 retweets 19 likes
    4. Vess‏ @VessOnSecurity 15 Nov 2017
      Replying to @Snowden

      I see; that's a valid point and I don't disagree with it. I'm not saying "I agree", either, because, honestly, I don't see how it can be improved. We can't know in advance which vulns will be stolen and published, and we can't realistically expect powerful vulns not to be kept.

      2 replies 2 retweets 7 likes
    5. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 15 Nov 2017
      Replying to @VessOnSecurity

      The most conservative solution is a strict limit on length of retention: if it's older than 90 days (some argue 180), it's time to roll over to a new vuln and patch the previous. When replacements can no longer be produced, that's not a loss; it means defense has finally matured.

      1 reply 11 retweets 21 likes
    6. x0rz‏ @x0rz 15 Nov 2017
      Replying to @Snowden @VessOnSecurity

      So NSA would mass exploit all of their target within 90 days and then "throw" away the vulnerability? That would encourage them to infect massively targets, which isn't a good option either. What do you think about that?

      3 replies 2 retweets 15 likes
    7. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 15 Nov 2017
      Replying to @x0rz @VessOnSecurity

      Exploits aren't necessary for every target every 90 days, only for installing the original implant. Implant survive long after the exploit is dead. And don't forget NSA has far more than 1 exploit at any given time.

      3 replies 11 retweets 27 likes
    8. D̒͂̕ᵈăᵃn̕ᶰ Ť̾̾̓͐͒͠ᵗe͗̑́̋̂́͡ᵉn̅ᶰtᵗl̀̓͘ᶫe̓̒̂̚ᵉrʳ‏Verified account @Viss 15 Nov 2017
      Replying to @Snowden @x0rz @VessOnSecurity

      +1 whenever we're on a gig and we breach the perimeter, at some point we steal creds, and we end up moving around with stolen creds and exploits/hacks/etc arent needed anymore. I can't image similar tradecraft isn't employed.

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    9. x0rz‏ @x0rz 15 Nov 2017
      Replying to @Viss @Snowden @VessOnSecurity

      I can see why: 1) Initial access is hard; 2) Some operator may be lazy/unskilled. Of course they will do whatever they can to use *anything* but a 0day, so low risk techniques are employed (credential reuse, etc.), but if you want to go fast and deep, 0day is def your friend :-)

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    10. D̒͂̕ᵈăᵃn̕ᶰ Ť̾̾̓͐͒͠ᵗe͗̑́̋̂́͡ᵉn̅ᶰtᵗl̀̓͘ᶫe̓̒̂̚ᵉrʳ‏Verified account @Viss 15 Nov 2017
      Replying to @x0rz @Snowden @VessOnSecurity

      no doubt! All I'm saying is that once you're in, you're in. the 0day has done its duty.

      2 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
      Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 15 Nov 2017
      Replying to @Viss @x0rz @VessOnSecurity

      Yeah, can't speak for ROC, but NTOC had entire internal sites exclusively dedicated to storing notes on ops, tokens, credentials, etc we stole from our actors over time. For better or worse, NSA never forgets.

      10:13 AM - 15 Nov 2017
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        1. D̒͂̕ᵈăᵃn̕ᶰ Ť̾̾̓͐͒͠ᵗe͗̑́̋̂́͡ᵉn̅ᶰtᵗl̀̓͘ᶫe̓̒̂̚ᵉrʳ‏Verified account @Viss 15 Nov 2017
          Replying to @Snowden @x0rz @VessOnSecurity

          yeah - so its reasonable to accept that you dont have to sit on a 10 year old 0day, especially if its already served its purpose :D

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