Skoll Shorties

He didn't have to chase the alliance across the bay to claim a home for the orcs. I am one of the biggest orc fans out there, but there is no world in which the first and second wars don't sit squarely on the horde's shoulders.

Just because there is some mental justification doesn't make them not the villain. Every villain believes they are justified.

I personally don't see Orgrim Doomhammer as a villain of the Horde. For the Alliance? Most definitely. But for the Horde? Nah. That's where things get tricky.

He was decidedly a villain for the story of the setting at the time, regardless. The horde as a whole villains for the setting at the time. It's like saying Arthas wasn't a villain from the Scourge's perspective. Just because you could play them doesn't mean they were good guys.

Arthas was a villain for both sides though in the end. You never played as the Scourge (except say for a Deathknight and even then he betrays you too). There's a reason why the Horde as a whole doesn't villainize Orgrim and fews him fondly. Unlike Blackhand or Garrosh, etc.

You play the scourge in WC3.

Talking about World of Warcraft.

Yeah, the horde views Doomhammer favorably -because- he redeemed himself and made a change. It doesn't mean he was any less of a villain in wc 1 and 2. He has killed just as many as blackhand with just as little cause.