Skoll Shorties

You saw Doomhammer as a villain? Why?

He literally let in army to butcher and kill everyone in his way to world conquest. He only got rid of the Shadow council because he didn't want anyone pulling his strings from behind, but he was out for murder and nothing else through the entire second war.

And that's the thing. I think most people don't look at the people who actually get the redemption as villains anymore And that sort of clouds the perspective. But these people have committed atrocities oh, they just decided they wanted to change.

I think if you look at Orgrim with a lense from the Alliance perspective I suppose you could see him as a villain who changed. But from a Horde perspective, he was never a villain and just changed how the Horde was run. In a lot of ways Orgrim was the start of a new Horde.

There was zero justification for the first and second war. From any outside perspective, the horde were the villains in Warcraft 1 and 2. The orcs who didn't want to be villains got kicked out

They realistically didn't have any choice in the manner at that point. They were slaves to the Legion and were lied to. It was only because of the fact Orgrim never drank could he aid in getting his people out from their shackles. It's why Orgrim is viewed as a good Warchief.

He still actively led a slaughter campaign against the races of azeroth. And that is, as you said, -without- the demon blood.

He did his with purpose and it wasn't out of vile action either. Orcs & Humans have both gone to war with each other for ages & none of them are villains for it except from the perspective of the other side. Orgrim went to war with the Humans for their planet as theirs was gone.