While I agree with that. I think the same has to be said vice versa. Sometimes people can't change and sometimes people don't want to atone. Sylvanas is the perfect person to give that message.
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W odpowiedzi do @Skoll_Shorties
I mean, I would be perfectly fine with her ending her existence as a villain. But I will never have a problem with someone deciding they want to try and change. There are a lot of people even in my life I suspect will never change, but will always be open if they decide to do so.
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That's fine and dandy and I am open to that too. But I just don't think out of anyone who should change Sylvanas doesn't seem like that type of person. We'll have to see and if she does she has to acknowledge the wrongs she's done.
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W odpowiedzi do @Skoll_Shorties
Of course. The whole purpose of deciding to change is the understanding that you have done wrong. Also anduin literally did say that no one is beyond saving, they just gave to want it in BtS. He just put into words one of the major themes of the setting.
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W odpowiedzi do @Shadow_Chorus @Skoll_Shorties
He also said she'd never want to change, and he might be right, and that's usually where the line falls between people. But there are enough unrepentant assholes in the setting between garrosh and sargeras and Gul'dan and others that I would not feel deprived if we had one less.
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W odpowiedzi do @Shadow_Chorus @Skoll_Shorties
Also I'm shocked that you of all people would say that message has never been told in Warcraft considering the -entire history of the orcs-
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W odpowiedzi do @Shadow_Chorus
I never really saw the Orcs as a whole as villains. Some of their races characters maybe. But their entire race? No. Redemption for Villains is extremely rare in Warcraft. Hell, the closest we got to that was Illidan and he didn't exactly make amends for his actions either.
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W odpowiedzi do @Skoll_Shorties
I mean, they were absolutely the villains of Warcraft 1 and 2. There isn't even a question there, as a race they were here to kill everyone. But they collectively decided to change and step away from that path. Not that everyone believes that.
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W odpowiedzi do @Shadow_Chorus @Skoll_Shorties
The warcraft story is full of redemption, the reason people don't see it as villains being redeemed is because typically they live on to step out of the villain role and become something else. but there are plenty of people in the setting who work made a change for the better.
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W odpowiedzi do @Shadow_Chorus @Skoll_Shorties
The orcs as a race, Jaina slid down and crawled all the way back up, the Blood Elves in general, BLACK DRAGONS. there is a constant line weather through characters or entire groups, that all it takes for a monster or villain to change is the conscious decision to try.
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The difference again being those examples aren't list of villains. The Orcs, Jaina, Blood Elves, even Black Dragons aren't all villains. They're characters with baggage and do terrible things but never get to that point of villainy. Which is why it works.
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