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I don't see why they have to make it illegal when I'm not going to do it again and nobody else is stupid enough to do it in the first place.

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    1. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

      1) Gonna thread up something about 'incels'/MRAs/PUAs that started as a response in another context, because that’s polite. Ready?

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    2. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

      2) One thing I haven’t seen other men talking about much and think is important is that this flavor of violent entitled sexism ultimately links back to status issues; in these guys’ minds, girlfriend/intercourse = status, and that’s the root of the violence.

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    3. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

      3) That’s also why they embrace homophobia and racism; when you depend on a status hierarchy to create self-esteem it has to be totalizing. And for reification/enforcement you need low-effort consumer violence, aka firearms.

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    4. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

      4) In an increasingly winner-take-all economic environment, ‘winning’ perceived competitions in social contexts is valorized and rewarded (to an incredible degree) while ‘losing’ those same contests is denigrated and punished.

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    5. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

      5) The more core elements of your self-esteem are hooked into self-perception as winner or loser, the more you seek out opportunities for triumphs (real or imagined) to sustain your baseline self-esteem.

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    6. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

      6) At the bottom of the social pyramid, that means pursuit of maximum perceived triumph for minimum effort; confusing fear for respect, privilege for accomplishment, and status for love.

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    7. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

      7) It’s not an accident that the logic most of these guys find persuasive and end up arguing with is economic.

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      A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

      8) The whole incel/MRA/PUA complex is an attempt to reward-hack admittedly inhumane social-status hierarchies with bad methodologies;

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        2. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

          9) It falls apart on the fact that human and sexual relationships are not rewards for performance but tasks in themselves, and if you’ve built your life around avoiding tasks you’ve also built it around avoiding relationships.

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        3. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

          10) One of the tasks these guys are avoiding more than anything else is confrontations with power, which is why they take aim at marginalized or powerless people.

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        4. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

          11) In short, the drift of incel/MRA/PUA culture into general right-wing radicalization on race and economic issues is overdetermined; it should not be surprising to anyone.

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        5. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

          12) As a queer man I think the question of how these men can be deprogrammed and made reachable is a tough question to answer without holistic theses of the social moment, which is why I ended up with so much to say here.

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        6. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

          13) We have been born into the culmination of 40 years of winner-take-all deregulation and reaction. Of pandering to majoritarian insecurity, incapability, and indolence.

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        7. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

          14) Those chickens have come home to roost in entirely predictable ways. They have poisoned wells we all have to drink from.

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        8. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

          15) Our grandfathers, fathers and uncles built a Skinner box, and we are in it. Do you want to escape from the box, or are you content to try to rewire the pedals to get more pellets?

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        9. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

          16) And do you really want to embrace a view of society and other people in it that reduces some, most, or all of them into reward pellets for you to cram down your gullet? Is that the most expansive view of life, work, and relationships you can see for yourself?

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        10. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

          17) Successful men in the modern era are largely successful by breaking some or all of the traditional rules of masculinity, or by hacking reward systems abusively. I have a personal and spiritual preference to avoid the latter, even though it’s more work. How about you?

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        11. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

          18) Men - straight, gay, bi, questioning, trans, whatever - right now are in need of an expansive, multifaceted masculinity that makes room for real expressions of loss, confusion, fear, anguish, and failure without brutalizing either the self or others.

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        12. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

          19) It will require a solidarity *between* masculinities, not the creation of a new, monolithic masculinity. And it will require a nuanced engagement with the plethora of femininities that have emerged in the past 40 years.

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        13. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

          20) And it will require dismantling winner-take-all status structures, bit-by-bit, wherever we can get our hands on them.

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        14. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

          21) I think it’s important to hook this into traditional conceptions of masculine self-worth by explicitly conceptualizing it as work. It is labor, it is hard, it is uncertain and dangerous. It will kill or cripple, and for some of us it already has.

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        15. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

          22) Solidarity is powerful because it’s something you consciously choose, not because it comes naturally. It’s a choice to cut across the grain of your prejudices and fears.

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        16. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

          23) Rather than self-flagellating declamations of one’s privileged status, build up women, gender-variant people, and other men who are experiencing pain, loss, marginalization and grief. Seek out a diversity of experience that can inform your own growth.

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        17. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

          24) See otherness, not as a resource to mine for insight, but an experience to engage with, one equal to your own. In solving the problems others have with you, you learn tools to solve your own.

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        18. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

          25) Being a good man doesn’t mean abjuring yourself. It means finding and creating yourself as a more complete and capable person. Lean into your weaknesses until they turn into strengths.

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        19. A Terrible Person‏ @ShutUpSoren May 2

          (I expected this to run to, like, ten tweets; might as well end it here. Thanks for reading, shit, this has blown up, I should have a tip jar or something.)

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