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    ShriramKrishnamurthi‏ @ShriramKMurthi Jan 11

    Property-based testing is an important upcoming topic in software reliability, but it gets no attention in computing education. We've been trying to fix that. This blog post summarizes our work and points to a recent paper with lots more detail. »https://blog.brownplt.org/2021/01/10/property-based-testing.html …

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      2. ShriramKrishnamurthi‏ @ShriramKMurthi Jan 11

        ShriramKrishnamurthi Retweeted David R. MacIver

        This may be my first paper to cite a Tweet. This thread is worth reading: »https://twitter.com/DRMacIver/status/1140615803752079360 …

        ShriramKrishnamurthi added,

        David R. MacIver @DRMacIver
        Every time someone uses reversing a list twice to demonstrate property-based testing, I take a drink. No, this isn't a drinking game, I'm just being driven to drink by bad examples.
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      3. ShriramKrishnamurthi‏ @ShriramKMurthi Jan 11

        ShriramKrishnamurthi Retweeted Hillel

        As is this one: »https://twitter.com/hillelogram/status/1190408364725067776 …

        ShriramKrishnamurthi added,

        Hillel @hillelogram
        If you know what property-based testing is and don't use it in your code, why don't you use it? (not saying you should, just curious about the reasons why people don't)
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      4. ShriramKrishnamurthi‏ @ShriramKMurthi Jan 11

        The paper won't necessarily make either @DRMacIver or @hillelogram happy: the examples may not appeal to the former, and it doesn't address the issues raised in responses to the latter. But it's a start. HT to @rjmh for his work on PBT!

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      1. jhemann‏ @jhemann Jan 11
        Replying to @ShriramKMurthi

        That's very cool. I've mused about integrating PBT several times recently, including this morning.

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      2. Craig Stuntz‏ @craigstuntz Jan 11
        Replying to @ShriramKMurthi

        My favorite example of a useful property based test is when you're replacing code with a new version. Concoct an example, run it through the old and new code, compare results. Sometimes you want bug-for-bug compatibility, other times you uncover a bug in one system or the other.

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      3. Craig Stuntz‏ @craigstuntz Jan 11
        Replying to @craigstuntz @ShriramKMurthi

        This is just a special case of a specification, but it makes sense to developers who see formal specification as imposing

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      2. Chris Rybicki‏ @rybickic Jan 11
        Replying to @ShriramKMurthi

        Anecdata: just this past semester I took a course where implementing auto-differentiation was a substantial component. Too bad that even though our starter code included PBT using Hypothesis (made a lot of sense!), the topic was pretty much absent from lectures/discussions.

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      3. Chris Rybicki‏ @rybickic Jan 11
        Replying to @rybickic @ShriramKMurthi

        No ill will towards the professor of course, there's always so many topics to cover and never enough time (and the class was good!) But it does feel like testing is frequently a second-class citizen in lots of software engineering classes.

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      2. Alexa VanHattum‏ @avanhatt Jan 11
        Replying to @ShriramKMurthi

        Toposortacle is still one of my favorite assignments I've ever been given ❤️ (also, shocking to see 92 as a lower bound for Logic for Systems course size!!)

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      3. ShriramKrishnamurthi‏ @ShriramKMurthi Jan 12
        Replying to @avanhatt

        now make that happen in cs15 alexa

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