Mike Shellenberger

@MichaelBTI This seems disingenuous. He has a degree in chemistry. Be charitable: he means we need to be rational in our pursuit of progress

He criticizes the things that are key to sparing nature, not sure how that's rational. @ecothought

@MichaelBTI I personally agree about the ecological utility of cities. But utility isn't the only rational value, especially for Catholics.

I agree. I don't think rationality should be our only value either! Problem is Pope goes in opposite direction on key issues. @ecothought

@wesupportlee @MichaelBTI @ecothought where does he criticize the process of urbanization?Is there nothing to criticize about modern cities?

@MichaelBTI @fieritacatalano irrational progress in europe and US is the cause of the colonialism that ruins and sinks the congo's economy

Colonialism obviously deserves a lot of blame, but not reducible to that. Also rushed independence... @CurarConOpinion @fieritacatalano

... lack of institutions, cold war, Rwandan genocide, corruption, etc etc etc... Point remains same. @CurarConOpinion @fieritacatalano

... Problem in Congo and other poor countries is not too much progress but too little... @CurarConOpinion @fieritacatalano

@MichaelBTI take a look at Genuine Progress Indicator in wikipedia

I have. I don't think it adds much beyond HDI & per cap GDP... @RGBOURRE

@MichaelBTI @clairlemon So, when visiting the "Congo" is one's faith revealed to be irrational or not?

@bluebearsoup @clairlemon hmmm not sure I understand question

@MichaelBTI @clairlemon Just trying to point out that faith in human progress may be irrational. Progress requires commitment.

@bluebearsoup yes, I think I agree with both statements @clairlemon