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Shellenberger for Governor :: President, Environmental Progress :: Time Magazine, 'Hero of the Environment’ :: Fighting for nature, prosperity & justice for all

Berkeley, CA
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    Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD 16 Jun 2015

    When Pope speaks of "irrational faith in human progress" I want him to visit the Congo to see what life is like when there is no progress.

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      2. Dr. Daniel Cassola‏ @CurarConOpinion 16 Jun 2015
        Replying to @ShellenbergerMD

        @MichaelBTI @fieritacatalano irrational progress in europe and US is the cause of the colonialism that ruins and sinks the congo's economy

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD 16 Jun 2015
        Replying to @CurarConOpinion

        Colonialism obviously deserves a lot of blame, but not reducible to that. Also rushed independence... @CurarConOpinion @fieritacatalano

        3 replies 2 retweets 3 likes
      4. Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD 16 Jun 2015
        Replying to @ShellenbergerMD

        ... lack of institutions, cold war, Rwandan genocide, corruption, etc etc etc... Point remains same. @CurarConOpinion @fieritacatalano

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD 16 Jun 2015
        Replying to @ShellenbergerMD

        ... Problem in Congo and other poor countries is not too much progress but too little... @CurarConOpinion @fieritacatalano

        1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
      6. Bourre Rafael German‏ @RGBOURRE 16 Jun 2015
        Replying to @ShellenbergerMD

        @MichaelBTI take a look at Genuine Progress Indicator in wikipedia

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      7. Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD 16 Jun 2015
        Replying to @RGBOURRE

        I have. I don't think it adds much beyond HDI & per cap GDP... @RGBOURRE

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. Bourre Rafael German‏ @RGBOURRE 16 Jun 2015
        Replying to @ShellenbergerMD

        @MichaelBTI focus on increasing GDP even though increasing poverty&inequality levels show that we are experiencing growth without progress

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      2. (((Blue Bear)))‏ @bluebearsoup 24 Oct 2015
        Replying to @ShellenbergerMD

        @MichaelBTI @clairlemon So, when visiting the "Congo" is one's faith revealed to be irrational or not?

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      3. Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD 24 Oct 2015
        Replying to @bluebearsoup

        @bluebearsoup @clairlemon hmmm not sure I understand question

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      4. (((Blue Bear)))‏ @bluebearsoup 24 Oct 2015
        Replying to @ShellenbergerMD

        @MichaelBTI @clairlemon Just trying to point out that faith in human progress may be irrational. Progress requires commitment.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD 24 Oct 2015
        Replying to @bluebearsoup

        @bluebearsoup yes, I think I agree with both statements @clairlemon

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      6. Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD 24 Oct 2015
        Replying to @ShellenbergerMD

        .bluebearsoup the decision to care about humans -- or non humans. Very very important, & moral. "Rational!" No. @donpcarr clairlemon

        0 replies 2 retweets 1 like
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      2. Evan Berry‏ @ecothought 16 Jun 2015
        Replying to @ShellenbergerMD

        @MichaelBTI This seems disingenuous. He has a degree in chemistry. Be charitable: he means we need to be rational in our pursuit of progress

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD 16 Jun 2015
        Replying to @ecothought

        He criticizes the things that are key to sparing nature, not sure how that's rational. @ecothought

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Evan Berry‏ @ecothought 16 Jun 2015
        Replying to @ShellenbergerMD

        @MichaelBTI I personally agree about the ecological utility of cities. But utility isn't the only rational value, especially for Catholics.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD 16 Jun 2015
        Replying to @ecothought

        I agree. I don't think rationality should be our only value either! Problem is Pope goes in opposite direction on key issues. @ecothought

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Evan Berry‏ @ecothought 16 Jun 2015
        Replying to @ShellenbergerMD

        To me #ecomodernism means we make proactive choices about progress and take ownership of the ecological impacts of our actions @MichaelBTI

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Evan Berry‏ @ecothought 16 Jun 2015
        Replying to @ecothought

        This is more or less what the Pope is doing, even if his interventions seem a bit provincial, no? @MichaelBTI

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD 16 Jun 2015
        Replying to @ecothought

        In attributing env problems to greed, tech & progress, no, I don't think that's what he's doing. @ecothought

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      9. End of conversation
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      2. Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD 24 Oct 2015
        Replying to @Ptrikkk

        @Kheithe @clairlemon Yes. And no.

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      3. Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD 24 Oct 2015
        Replying to @ShellenbergerMD

        @Kheithe @clairlemon yes, in 1961 people were better off in HDI terms. But no, I'm not an expert.

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