Scott Madin

And that isn't going to happen if we treat all demands for "consent" as valid and all accusations of non-consent as equally dire. There is a difference between non-consensually groping someone vs, idk, borrowing their car without consent. There just is.

And I'm...as a rape survivor, I'm pretty damn annoyed to see women being called out for "consent violations" when my read of the situation is that of an abuse victim trying to protect herself and praying that her abuser has a change of heart and stops hurting her. But that's me.

Yes! And I actually *have* seen people argue that you can't "non-consensually" prevent someone from driving home drunk because of bodily autonomy. That is an actual real argument I've witnessed.https://twitter.com/Rook_Stone/status/1403936163669299202 …

I have for reals seen people say this, yeah. https://twitter.com/Azure_Husky/status/1403937490264809473?s=19 …

Anyway, I'm going to bed and I pray this thread doesn't blow up. Goodnight, friends.

It is also my point that taking someone's car keys away Because You're An Abuser and taking someone's car keys away Because They're Too Drunk To Safely Drive are not the same thing morally, even if the act looks the same on the outside.

Which means that we have to cool it on these sweeping statements of "It's NEVER ok to [insert violation, like "take someone's car keys away"]" because realistically and in actual practice there are going to be times when it is, actually, the better of two options.