Scott Madin on Twitter: "what about for a bar bouncer to remove a patron who's drunk and harassing or threatening the other customers, and for the bar to ban that person from ever returning? isn't that "taking away their freedom of movement"?… https://t.co/C5kyM3eioJ"

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Ana Mardoll‏ @AnaMardoll Jun 12

We need to be careful that "consent" doesn't become misused, nor that it become elevated to some kind of idol. Civil disobedience means going against certain people's consent. Protests and marches don't have popular consent. Homeless people don't need consent to exist and camp.

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Ana Mardoll‏ @AnaMardoll Jun 12

I just...we're on a precipice where "Be gay, do crimes" is being countered by this new and weird misuse of consent that's, like, "don't wear clothes people don't like, don't throw bricks, don't trespass, don't break indecency laws, and don't work binding magic against abusers".

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Ana Mardoll‏ @AnaMardoll Jun 12

It would genuinely not surprise me if we start seeing "consent" laws that require trans people to get parental and spousal "consent" before we transition, and that require pregnant people to get "consent" before aborting. We need to be prepared for that next step.

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Ana Mardoll‏ @AnaMardoll Jun 12

And that isn't going to happen if we treat all demands for "consent" as valid and all accusations of non-consent as equally dire. There is a difference between non-consensually groping someone vs, idk, borrowing their car without consent. There just is.

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Ana Mardoll‏ @AnaMardoll Jun 12

And I'm...as a rape survivor, I'm pretty damn annoyed to see women being called out for "consent violations" when my read of the situation is that of an abuse victim trying to protect herself and praying that her abuser has a change of heart and stops hurting her. But that's me.

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Ana Mardoll‏ @AnaMardoll Jun 12

Ana Mardoll Retweeted Rook Stone

Yes! And I actually *have* seen people argue that you can't "non-consensually" prevent someone from driving home drunk because of bodily autonomy. That is an actual real argument I've witnessed.https://twitter.com/Rook_Stone/status/1403936163669299202 …

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Rook Stone @Rook_Stone

Replying to @AnaMardoll

Or taking their keys so they can't drive drunk or drive off to hurt someone. Flattening the morality of consent gives me flashbacks to "it would be a sin to lie to Nazis" Evangelical thought game.

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Ana Mardoll‏ @AnaMardoll Jun 12

Ana Mardoll Retweeted Bi Dyke Energy

I have for reals seen people say this, yeah. https://twitter.com/Azure_Husky/status/1403937490264809473?s=19 …

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Bi Dyke Energy @Azure_Husky

Replying to @Azure_Husky @AnaMardoll

"I'm sorry you can't punch that nazi because they didn't consent to it first"

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Ana Mardoll‏ @AnaMardoll Jun 12

Anyway, I'm going to bed and I pray this thread doesn't blow up. Goodnight, friends.

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Ana Mardoll‏ @AnaMardoll Jun 13

Yes, when you take someone's car keys away, you are cutting off their freedom of movement. It IS a violation of freedom. That's my point: sometimes we have to violate someone's freedom if the alternative is worse. Driving drunk gets other people killed.pic.twitter.com/Tox8PjDTi4

Holy Hell this is a bodily autonomy issue, you're cutting off people's freedom of movement

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Scott Madin‏ @ScottMadin Jun 13

Replying to @AnaMardoll

…is it also a "bodily autonomy issue" for a cop (I mean, fuck cops anyway, but in the ideal, hypothetical case) to pull someone over for driving recklessly, and for the state to revoke their driver's license because they got too many DUIs?

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Scott Madin‏ @ScottMadin Jun 13

Replying to @ScottMadin @AnaMardoll

what about for a bar bouncer to remove a patron who's drunk and harassing or threatening the other customers, and for the bar to ban that person from ever returning? isn't that "taking away their freedom of movement"?

6:51 AM - 13 Jun 2021