I concede that; it occurred to me that you likely don't support all of those, but twitter length prevents/ed me from elaborating. Let's focus on that then - why does it look like a smart cost/benefit play to you? The theoretical mechanism doesn't even make sense.
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Replying to @RyanKemper10 @ScottAdamsSays and
I do have to mention though that both school closures and business closures were not smart during the fog of the unknown. This is the fallacy that it's better to *do something* than to do nothing. If you're lost in a 20-dimensional space, don't start walking randomly
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Replying to @RyanKemper10 @ScottAdamsSays and
We both live in California, one of the most dedicated mask cults out there. Haven't you been people-watching when out and about? Don't you notice the dozens of times per hour that people touch their face to adjust their mask, pull their mask down to wipe their sweat, etc?
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Yes, and we also know (now) that hands and surfaces are not the big issue, and that doctors all know that risk when they recommend masks.
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Yes fomite transmission in general is not a big problem, but there's a big difference between that and having a warm, moist mask on your face for extended periods of time. Bacterial (and probably viral) proliferation is the problem. Not the same as a door knob or amazon package.
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Replying to @RyanKemper10 @ScottAdamsSays and
Furthermore, it's actually a bit simplistic to say that fomite transmission is not a problem period. Like any pathogen, the real test is whether it gets exposed to a mucuos membrane. If you touch your lips/eyes/inside nose/sexual organs, infection is very likely.
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Replying to @RyanKemper10 @ScottAdamsSays and
Also, with masks it's not just the contamination, it's also the altered behavioral dynamics. So if you truly believe COVID-19 (including long covid etc) is so dangerous, then the fact that people stand closer together, speak louder, exhale more aerosols etc should scare you.
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The current thinking is that you need about 15 minutes indoors at close quarters with an infected person to get it. If masks push that to 20 minutes, which seems reasonable, that's huge. And I don't see it making people stand closer. I see the opposite.
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I don't agree that's a reasonable assumption, but let's pretend that's true. That seems incredibly marginal to me. I literally do see people standing closer than they otherwise would, in part because they have to to hear each other thru their masks (or they talk louder)
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Replying to @RyanKemper10 @ScottAdamsSays and
I guess to cut to the heart of the issue, just to be explicit, is it your belief that the wellbeing of the collective is more important than the wellbeing of the individual? That is to say, assuming that masks did work, that it's ethical to force individuals to wear them?
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As ethical as seatbelts, or keeping cigarettes from kids.
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