Outside the machine and even within the machine there can be free will. Saying there is no free will makes you happy.
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Either the Universe is genuinely deterministic, in which case free will is a delusion; or it isn't, which is a possibility admitted by current physics. We either live in a perfect simulacra of freedom, or we are in fact free, and there's no way to truly know. So, act accordingly.
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In neither case is there free will. But in one case cause and effect does not apply.
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Replying to @ScottAdamsSays @theCTwelve and
If you want to know why a deterministic universe can have seemingly non deterministic outputs, check this: https://www.wolframscience.com/nks/p737--computational-irreducibility/ … Which takes us to the illusion of free will:https://www.wolframscience.com/nks/p750--the-phenomenon-of-free-will/ …
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Replying to @repunck @ScottAdamsSays and
Interesting read! Though, you’re pre-supposing a deterministic Universe, and we don’t actually know.
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Replying to @theCTwelve @ScottAdamsSays and
Everything points towards determinism. Or it might be confirmation bias...
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Replying to @repunck @ScottAdamsSays and
No, strictly speaking it doesn't. Determinism only holds true up to the classical limit. Down in the quantum world, where you can only "see" a thing by hitting it very hard with another thing, things are very different. Determinism is mathematically impossible to access.
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Replying to @theCTwelve @repunck and
Worse, careful experimentation strongly suggests determinism, causality (though without information transfer), and even realism might not apply. See: double-slit experiment, the quantum eraser, and Bell Inequalities, and the Aspect experiments, to name a few.
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Replying to @theCTwelve @repunck and
One last note: people get mystical about this stuff, but I try not to. It's weird enough without that. But TL;DR: the true nature of the Universe is inaccessible below a certain scale. We can only model it with probability, and certain behaviors defy any classical understanding.
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No one has seen the quantum world influence cause and effect in the "big" world. But in any case, it wouldn't create magic (free will). Simulation theory is the only one that explains all.
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Replying to @ScottAdamsSays @theCTwelve and
All the big world is caused by the quantum "world."
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