“Men don’t get to have an opinion on abortion” is such an insidious trope because it trains men to suppress the urge to protect the weak from harm, which is the least toxic form of masculinity.
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Bernard Nathanson used persuasion, magical slogans and fake polling to reframe the abortion debate in the 70's.https://twitter.com/worldnetdaily/status/1087539809428611072?s=19 …
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That is chilling.
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That view seems to treat a baby as property.
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Normally I agree with you but this isnt the whole story. Men are legally and financially liable for the children they make. Shouldnt then get a say in laws affecting their children and themselves? And the morality and utility of laws and ideas should be open to debate from all.
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I always thought Scott just thought this was the best way to handle it "politically" (the only way that really matters at the end if the day). Not that he thought men didn't have a moral say in things overall. I don't like mind-reading though so happy to be corrected.
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That's why I looped Scott into this thread, because Jeremy's viewpoint is (I think) that by ceding this moral ground on a political basis, men are actually hurting themselves in the social justice misandry battle. Which is really interesting.
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My argument is that men don’t add to the quality or credibility of the decisions on where the law stands on abortion. But you are welcome to prove me right.
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