Notice that the slight increase in atmospheric CO2 from 800,000 years ago then spikes in recent industrial times. This is called the Keeling Curve. The point here is the rate increase, not that it was increasing for thousands of years.https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/ …
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This is a great thread so far. What I enjoy most is that when Scott first waded into the argument, my sense was that he was more inclined to believe that warming was a problem. Now I think he is fully agnostic. My own skepticism is based on statistical principles and history.
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Tony is persuasive, but I see this thread as not only the pursuit of truth, but a Persuasion Workshop. Everybody here is learning something.
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I can do that easily. But why is the onus on me to prove that their data tampering (which precisely aligns with the increase in CO2) is incorrect? In an engineering environment, someone who wanted to tamper with data would have to prove tremendous justification.
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I'd love for you guys to have a public discussion on climate change.
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They remove cooler or cooling stations thus managing to maintain apparent warming that matches their alarmist climate model. Steve Goddard has posted many results where they turned a cooling trend into a warming trend with some extraordinary temperature adjustments up to 3°C.
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"hide" is word that long resonated in climate controversy because of measures taken by Mann, Briffa and others to "hide the decline" in a temperature reconstruction from tree rings that went "wrong" way. Purpose was to deceive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMqc7PCJ-nc …pic.twitter.com/rnzWX920Bk
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OK I contacted potholer54 about the so-called tampering of data and he pointed me to this video of his. This is referring not to the land adjustments but apparently, skeptics were accusing NOAA of tampering the ocean data as well. Peter Hadfield explains: https://youtu.be/kQph_5eZsGs
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Maybe but that's a 2017 graph. Hard to believe some new development justified massive changes. In 1995, maybe. In 2000, there was already massive money invested in that field. Could it really take 20 more years to realize "oh wait, we got the whole trend for the century wrong"?
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