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I blog+write columns. Usually on: 1. Behavioral science 2. Macro-history 3. Modern Asian politics 4. Chinese strategic thought (that's where 1-3 meet!)

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    T. Greer‏ @Scholars_Stage 29 Nov 2018

    A new bombshell working paper by @JoHenrich, @Adrian_V_Bell, @mmuthukrishna, and a few others not on twitter has just dropped https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=468065099084001023007009096009127074002033009058089053073090104071091002069068120090056119012045118056006023025016073029119118050004033058059086030016084112076088011047082044027119096031021081007102106115104110014018070087106123067002076107005025029100&EXT=pdf … My take: For sociologists, p. scientists, and economists interested in cross cultural comparison, this is a really big deal.

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      2. T. Greer‏ @Scholars_Stage 29 Nov 2018

        Muthukrishna et. al. have created what may be one of the most elegant examples I have seen of a methodological tool stolen from a hard science (in this case, population genetics) and refitted to work for the social sciences.

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      3. T. Greer‏ @Scholars_Stage 29 Nov 2018

        Population geneticists are interested in the genetic features of entire populations. One of the fun things they do is try to determine how different one population sampled is from another. The way they do this is with a measure called a "Fixation Index" (Fst).

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      4. T. Greer‏ @Scholars_Stage 29 Nov 2018

        There are like 10 videos on youtube that explain how the fixation Index statistic is calculated and the math isn't hard, so I won't explain it here. But the basic idea is that the statistic contrasts the frequency of gene variants ('alleles') in two or more populations

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      5. T. Greer‏ @Scholars_Stage 29 Nov 2018

        and then uses this contrast to measure how dissimilar--or "distant" the two populations are. Who is genetically closer to the people of Beijing: Koreans or Cantonese? You can answer questions like that with a fixation index statistic.

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      6. T. Greer‏ @Scholars_Stage 29 Nov 2018

        Muthukrishna et. al.'s idea was that you could do something very similar with with cultural traits. We don't have a cultural genome of course, but they kind of jury rigged an approximation of a genome by collecting together 24 different psychological measures which have been

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      7. T. Greer‏ @Scholars_Stage 29 Nov 2018

        tested in different populations and treated the answers to these measures as gene variants. (These psychological measures are for things like extraversion, tightness-looseness, individualism, and so forth).

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      8. T. Greer‏ @Scholars_Stage 29 Nov 2018

        What this means is that the authors have come up with a very clever measure of how culturally 'distant' two (or more) populations might be from each other. Populations that are largely similar, say the U.S. and Canada, will score low on the measure. Dissimilar=higher score.

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      9. T. Greer‏ @Scholars_Stage 29 Nov 2018

        This graph, for example, shows how the various populations score in relation to the United States and to China. X-axis=distance from U.S. as measured by a battery of psychological measures Y-axis=distance from China as measured by a battery of psychological measurespic.twitter.com/BJABHOchgs

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      10. T. Greer‏ @Scholars_Stage 29 Nov 2018

        To pick at a few of things that stand out here: Japan and Norway are about the same 'distance' away from the U.S., but are distant on *different* measures, for Japan is much closer to the Chinese results than Norway is.

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      11. T. Greer‏ @Scholars_Stage 29 Nov 2018

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        Already you can see some of the interesting applications of this data: do you remember the debate we had a few weeks back on this space on whether a Japanese person would face greater shock if they moved to China or the UK? https://twitter.com/Scholars_Stage/status/1058020548716855296 …

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      12. T. Greer‏ @Scholars_Stage 29 Nov 2018

        Folks thought the question was silly (Japan has to be closer to China, right?), but if culture shock is mostly a matter of *norms* then this data suggests that a Japanese person would feel about equally adrift in either the Anglosphere or in China. That's a trivial ex, but...

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      13. T. Greer‏ @Scholars_Stage 29 Nov 2018

        it is not hard to think of more serious ones. Take, for example, attempts to assess whether differences in cross-cultural norms increase the transaction costs of international business. It would be very easy to use this data to answer this question.

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      14. T. Greer‏ @Scholars_Stage 29 Nov 2018

        Another way the data could be used is to assess cultural variation *within* countries. The authors have already tried their hand at this, showing that regional variation within the United States is less than in China, India, or Europe:pic.twitter.com/vhhs5Eu1JJ

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      15. T. Greer‏ @Scholars_Stage 29 Nov 2018

        And again, not hard to see fun applications of this approach: is their a correlation between within regional cultural distance in a country and social capital? Social trust? Violence? Voting?

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      16. T. Greer‏ @Scholars_Stage 29 Nov 2018

        I would not call this a *revolution* in cross cultural comparison. But once the data is online I see no reason why it should not be the standard data set for p. sci, sociology, and econ studies that want use cultural difference as their independent variable.

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      17. T. Greer‏ @Scholars_Stage 29 Nov 2018

        Finally, the whole method--importing the Fixation Index to a non-genetic context--is brilliant, and could easily be adapted to all sorts of political or sociological data. I am excited to see what people do with it.

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      2. Michael Muthukrishna‏ @mmuthukrishna 29 Nov 2018
        Replying to @Scholars_Stage @JoHenrich @Adrian_V_Bell

        Nice summary @Scholars_Stage. We have 2 follow up papers that tackle the questions in your thread. The answers fit your intuitions. I'll post the working papers soon. A more user friendly version of the tool is also almost ready. More soon.

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      3. Pat Savage‏ @PatrickESavage 29 Nov 2018
        Replying to @mmuthukrishna @Scholars_Stage and

        Looks cool! We introduced a related measure of cultural distance also adapted from genetics, ФST, that has also been used productively by @Robert_M_Ross, @SimonJGreenhill, @DrQueue, and others. Would be nice to see some comparison of the methods. http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/279/1733/1606 …

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      2. David Stern‏ @sterndavidi 29 Dec 2018
        Replying to @Scholars_Stage @JoHenrich and

        I have seen something similar before using the 2 first principal components extracted from the World Values Survey. Had similar results to this.

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      3. Dave Ebner‏ @shallow_state 31 Dec 2018
        Replying to @sterndavidi @Scholars_Stage and

        If you can remember or link to this paper, I'd be interested in it because that was my first thought to try.

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      4. David Stern‏ @sterndavidi Dec 31
        Replying to @shallow_state @Scholars_Stage and

        Here you are: http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/WVSContents.jsp 

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