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Paradox: Closet humanist, truthful analyst, and measured founder. There has never been an immortal human society. Figuring out why.

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    1. Riva‏Verified account @rivatez Jul 25
      Replying to @TylerAlterman

      What do you think is right ?

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    2. Tyler Alterman‏ @TylerAlterman Jul 25
      Replying to @rivatez

      Would replace “pathogens” with “implicitly believed ideologies and metaphysical doctrines” (eg views on death, god, power, world-self relation). Probably these have a strong interaction with pathogens - would just be surprised if pathogens are no1 for relative effect size.

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    3. Riva‏Verified account @rivatez Jul 25
      Replying to @TylerAlterman

      I think in the context of which he said it - which was looking at how viruses affect personality traits - his point was it is hard to distinguish perceived ideologies from biological causation. What is an implicit belief if not dependent on your mental and biological state?

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    4. Tyler Alterman‏ @TylerAlterman Jul 25
      Replying to @rivatez

      Likely a strong positive feedback-like effect between the two, but implicit ideologies are way too complex and nuanced to be attributed to a single category of biological drivers.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Paul Stefan Bohm‏ @paulsbohm Jul 25
      Replying to @TylerAlterman @rivatez

      Paul enters in a cloud of smoke and speaketh: “look up correlation between use of spices in food, parasites, and measures of cultural obedience” - used to have a pdf looking into this. Essential thesis is that lots of culture is alternate defense against disease spreading.

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    6. Wolf Tivy‏ @wolftivy Jul 25
      Replying to @paulsbohm @TylerAlterman @rivatez

      When you consider the necessarily only temporary effectiveness of antibiotics and such, old-testament medicine makes more sense: antibiotics exploit specific weakness, but handwashing, food prep, and quarantine make whole classes of pathogen impossible.

      1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
    7. Samo Burja‏ @SamoBurja Jul 30
      Replying to @wolftivy @paulsbohm and

      19th century Europe and 20th century Middle East show that Germ Theory outperformed traditional cleanliness in terms of lives saved and pathogens eliminated.

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    8. Samo Burja‏ @SamoBurja Jul 30
      Replying to @SamoBurja @wolftivy and

      Practice alone is defeated by Practice + Knowledge. When you have both knowledge and practice design rather than repetition becomes possible.

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    9. Wolf Tivy‏ @wolftivy Jul 30
      Replying to @SamoBurja @paulsbohm and

      Yes. Germ theory is notable upgrade. But it confirms and extends old praxis, rather than overturns.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    10. Samo Burja‏ @SamoBurja Jul 30
      Replying to @wolftivy @paulsbohm and

      Of course germ Theory is its own tradition of knowledge and practice. Can be lost.

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      Samo Burja‏ @SamoBurja Jul 30
      Replying to @SamoBurja @wolftivy and

      Arguably we can infer Romans had hygienic equivalent to germ theory just from the low army casualties due to infectious disease. Only matched by 19th century armies.

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        2. Ben Hoffman‏ @ben_r_hoffman Jul 30
          Replying to @SamoBurja @wolftivy and

          Discussion on lineal vs lateral transfer is relevant here:http://yhwhmemorial.org/flood-resistant-lineages …

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        3. Ben Hoffman‏ @ben_r_hoffman Jul 30
          Replying to @ben_r_hoffman @SamoBurja and

          Memes and meme complexes that win on group selection are quite different from ones that win on infectiousness (i.e. in the so-called Marketplace of Ideas).

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        4. Paul Stefan Bohm‏ @paulsbohm Jul 30
          Replying to @ben_r_hoffman @SamoBurja and

          do you mean group selection literally, or just prosaically to mean "the group that survived"? because there is no such thing as group selection

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Wolf Tivy‏ @wolftivy Jul 30
          Replying to @paulsbohm @ben_r_hoffman and

          Group selection usually doesn't work at the gene level, but with engineered memeplexes that are able to exert approximate ownership of genetic lineages, it can work at the meme level.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Wolf Tivy‏ @wolftivy Jul 30
          Replying to @wolftivy @paulsbohm and

          But even on the gene level, multi-cellular organisms are the result of group selection. Though it requires rare circumstances: shared-fate and enforcable conformity.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Wolf Tivy‏ @wolftivy Jul 30
          Replying to @wolftivy @paulsbohm and

          As soon as a group of organisms has a shared immune system, that is, a concentration of power and the ability to impose an internal order, then it becomes useful to model it as a superorganism, and analyze selection pressures on the group.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Paul Stefan Bohm‏ @paulsbohm Jul 30
          Replying to @wolftivy @ben_r_hoffman and

          Paul Stefan Bohm Retweeted Paul Stefan Bohm

          genetic group selection has no plausible mechanism, it's still selfish genes driving the higher order patterns. to explain altruism beyond naive kin selection, look into bet hedging:https://twitter.com/paulsbohm/status/986856994891030529 …

          Paul Stefan Bohm added,

          Paul Stefan Bohm @paulsbohm
          If you learned about game-theoretic evolutionary biology > 10 years ago you might not know this: Kin Selection alone does not seem to sufficiently explain observed Altruism, while Group Selection has no credible mechanism of action (=~nonsensical). What’s the solution?
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        9. Wolf Tivy‏ @wolftivy Jul 30
          Replying to @paulsbohm @ben_r_hoffman and

          I just gave a plausible mechanism, which has actually occurred in nature, and produced such highly coordinated group organisms (ourselves) that we forget they are composed of individual cells.

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        1. Wolf Tivy‏ @wolftivy Jul 30
          Replying to @SamoBurja @paulsbohm and

          Not to mention their accounts of what causes disease. Didn't you find a good quote on that?

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