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Author of The End of Faith, The Moral Landscape, Waking Up, and other bestselling books published in over 20 languages. Host of the Waking Up podcast.

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    Sam Harris‏Verified account @SamHarrisOrg May 18

    Early evidence of my "tribal" atheism:https://samharris.org/the-problem-with-atheism/ …

    10:51 AM - 18 May 2018
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      2. Mark Shively‏ @jedishive May 18
        Replying to @SamHarrisOrg

        @robertwrighter I'm concerned about the unfalsifiability if the charge of tribalist thinking.

        3 replies 1 retweet 53 likes
      3. Neil Merchant‏ @notphozee May 18
        Replying to @jedishive @SamHarrisOrg @robertwrighter

        I see no way to argue against this charge - everyone could be accused of tribal thinking at any time and on any subject, merely because they hold similar views to other people.

        1 reply 1 retweet 15 likes
      4. Hollis Whelan‏ @hollis_whelan May 19
        Replying to @notphozee @jedishive and

        that's kind of the point. Which is why Wright's argument was not to overcome tribalize, but merely to notice it and think critically about whether or not it colours Sam's (and the readers) views.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      5. Neil Merchant‏ @notphozee May 20
        Replying to @hollis_whelan @jedishive and

        But he isn't actually able to demonstrate how said tribal thing is manifesting in anyway.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Lucretius‏ @21st_digital May 20
        Replying to @notphozee @hollis_whelan and

        Demonstrating how said tribal thinking is manifested in Harris was the entire point of Wright's article.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Neil Merchant‏ @notphozee May 21
        Replying to @21st_digital @hollis_whelan and

        He spent the entirety of the article associating Sam with tribes that Sam himself does not identify as a part of. He asserts that because people in general are prone to bias, Sam must therefore be just as tribal in his thinking in every situation as anyone else.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      8. Adam Birney‏ @Adam_had_em May 21
        Replying to @notphozee @21st_digital and

        Read the article again. Wright specifically says Sam's thinking is similar in kind, but not degree. He did not say Sam is "just as tribal," which was your take-away, but rather that because we are all susceptible in degree we should be more self-aware of them than ever.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      9. Mark Shively‏ @jedishive May 21
        Replying to @Adam_had_em @notphozee and

        I don’t agree that the implication was “we” need to be more self-reflective.

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      10. End of conversation
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      2. Nathan Allebach‏ @nathanallebach May 18
        Replying to @SamHarrisOrg

        People (many being your fans) are more concerned with you denying your tribal group identity. Whether or not you take it seriously, "the intellectual dark web" has emerged as a TRIBE of people who feel like they are part of a team, for better or worsehttp://intellectualdark.website/ 

        14 replies 0 retweets 44 likes
      3. Mark Shively‏ @jedishive May 18
        Replying to @nathanallebach @SamHarrisOrg

        This may be true, in some cases. But you're blaming @SamHarrisOrg for this? (He didn't write the NYTimes article, he doesn't use the term "intellectual dark web," and he doesn't display obvious tribalist thinking -- so just what are you asking him to do?)

        7 replies 0 retweets 58 likes
      4. Nathan Allebach‏ @nathanallebach May 18
        Replying to @jedishive @SamHarrisOrg

        Where did I say I was blaming him? I said it's happening either way and implied that his constant denial/defense of it isn't helping.

        4 replies 0 retweets 13 likes
      5. Mark Shively‏ @jedishive May 18
        Replying to @nathanallebach @SamHarrisOrg

        Fair enough (though you don't say that). But while you don't like his defense (or defensiveness), you're missing his implication that grouping all of these other people together with him doesn't by itself show his words are tribally motivated or, more to the point, wrong.

        2 replies 0 retweets 30 likes
      6. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 18
        Replying to @jedishive @nathanallebach @SamHarrisOrg

        I think the denials by Harris speak to his inability to see the homogeneity of the "dark web" tribe. All of the "members" relish in a pseudo-iconoclasm projected through the narrow lens of scientism.

        10 replies 0 retweets 14 likes
      7. Andi‏ @AndiWedekind May 18
        Replying to @DeTabachnick @jedishive and

        Heavy emphasis on the ism.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      8. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 18
        Replying to @AndiWedekind @jedishive and

        I like a good ism.

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      9. Andi‏ @AndiWedekind May 18
        Replying to @DeTabachnick @jedishive and

        If Harris went on a speaking tour with Deepok Chopra or Reverend Hagee I'd less surprised than I am at his support of Rubin and Peterson

        2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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      2. Phil Torres‏ @xriskology May 18
        Replying to @SamHarrisOrg

        Um, this has nothing to do with Wright's many good points. You really are a case study in how "being rational" can go horribly wrong, ultimately causing serious damage to the connotation of terms like "atheism" and "critical thinking." #formerhugefan

        1 reply 2 retweets 13 likes
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      2. OrangeBlueMind‏ @orangebluemind May 18
        Replying to @SamHarrisOrg

        I dont care about all your twitterwars. And I support you for the content of your podcast and not the uninteresting "wars" between what people say about you. Any person with a little intellect gets you, just ignore the rest. Please :)

        1 reply 0 retweets 34 likes
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