I put in the work: I listened to the podcast and read all the articles and concluded you were in the wrong in the email exchange; thin-skinned, unreasonable and ego-wounded. Not to mention the unethical move of releasing someone's private emails without their permission.
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I agree with you about his being thin-skinned in the email exchange. You really thought that his podcast with Murray was unreasonable though? And that Klein’s article was a fair response? I’m just curious, because I listened to the podcast and read the articles too. Seemed unfair
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I said he was "unreasonable" in the email exchange w Klein. As for his podcast with Murray, I listened to it a year ago when it first came out and my initial take was it was a horrible interview. I interview people for a living and have been doing it for decades.
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I felt like the thrust of the whole piece was to imply that both Harris and Murray are peddling pseudo science (whether they are both wrong is totally debatable) with the intention of perpetuating white supremacy and racism.Even the subtitle is borderline slanderous in my opinion
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I thought Klein's piece was fair criticism of Murray & Sam. I just reread it and cont to think he made a reasoned argument for the problems he has with Sam's interview with Murray and with Murray himself. I think it's good that the two will have an actual conversation.
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I think so too. I think it could be good for everyone. Either way, thanks for the conversation. Hopefully, they have a productive conversation.
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Supporter here to second many other replies: Please do not stop holding live discussions and sharing the audio. At most you should separate the content in some way; such as creating a section on your website for live audio and removing it from the Waking Up stream.
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Your conversation with Christian Picciolini and the following audience discussion was powerful and hope affirming. These conversations must be had. The live format provides perspective, connection, and humanization. And the whole world should have access to the content.
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I'm really sad to hear about the end of the audio from live events. I don't agree at all with the criticism you describe and have found the live events audio very interesting.
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I agree, at the very least maybe a separate feed with those podcasts.
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I'm really confused by your response. You talk in the podcast about how Murray's science is mainstream. But I keep wondering: which part? Certainly, no scientists are disputing the idea that IQ is heritable, right? So it must be the race-IQ relationship. If so, it does not ...
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seem to me that this relationship is mainstream. Nat Geo published an issue talking about how the idea of "race" is bunk. So how can any race-IQ relationship be valid if half of that relationship is not a valid scientific concept? Please help me understand your view here.
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As for race being bunk, tell that shit to sickle cells. Yes, the borders of the populations we consider to be races are incredibly hazy. That doesn't mean there aren't clear genetic offshoots of the species with real phenotypic differences.
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The sickle cell thing is actually kinda bunk too. It mostly affects people Eastern, Indian, Mediterranean, and African heritage because those geographic regions are most prone to malaria. Check out:https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/ …
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You just proved his point!
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Those are not “races”. Would be hard pressed to find someone ready to label Mediterranean folks as the same “race” as African folks. Race is not a scientific concept.
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Race never was a scientific concept, that doesn't mean people who evolved in different geographical areas aren't genetically distinguishable populations. They absolutely are.
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You are correct, there are genetically distinguishable populations; a key idea in ancestry tests. The point is that those populations do not neatly follow the lines of separation that are used commonly used when describing "race".
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