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    1. Cultural Heresy‏ @CulturalHeresy1 Jan 10

      Cultural Heresy Retweeted Sam Harris

      This is incredibly dumb. That fact that "oughts" exist in one's cultural context does not in any way disprove Hume's Guillotine.https://twitter.com/SamHarrisOrg/status/951311418523029504 …

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      Sam HarrisVerified account @SamHarrisOrg
      Look at it from the other side: Try to get to an "is" without obeying a few "oughts" (logical coherence, respect for evidence, etc.) This IS/OUGHT divide is a fiction. https://twitter.com/ChanceDiaz/status/951309644751777792 …
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      Sam Harris‏Verified account @SamHarrisOrg Jan 10
      Replying to @CulturalHeresy1

      You can't coherently assert the existence of any "is" without invoking an "ought." (e.g., Self contradiction *ought* to be avoided.) You are making demands on moral philosophy that we don't make on physics.

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        1. Rob Alderman‏ @rob4lderman Jan 11
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @CulturalHeresy1

          “Ought’s” ought to be derived by contemplating the consequence of behavior in context. The context, behavior, and consequence are all “is’s”. We learn ought’s by observing is’s and then extrapolating

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        1. Shawn Mitchell‏ @rshawnmitchell Jan 11
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @CulturalHeresy1

          The universe is expanding; we ought to make a fire.

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        1. Adam Sherwood‏ @adamthesherwood Jan 11
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @CulturalHeresy1

          Self contradiction can only apply to models made about what "is". The "is" isn't self contradictory, not because it "ought" not be, but that it simply "isn't". It is not an intrinsic property of reality that our models "ought" to reflect reality.

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        1. Jonathan Aron‏ @JAron94 Jan 11
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @CulturalHeresy1

          But the interesting question is can you derive an ought from an is, not the converse. Your ethical position relies on the 'ought' claim that well-being should be promoted. Once you have have that, you can use it in conjunction with 'is' statements to reach 'ought' conclusions.

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        2. Scott W.‏ @ScottDollaBillz Jan 10
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @CulturalHeresy1

          But how do you select the axiom (or "ought") underlying your moral philosophy? "That which doesn't suck" just means "that which is immoral". The circle remains.

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        3. Arthur Wise‏ @WiseAwise6711 Jan 10
          Replying to @ScottDollaBillz @SamHarrisOrg @CulturalHeresy1

          “That which does not suck” can be objective. Of all possible mental states, the one with less needless suffering sucks less. Of all possible physical states (pain to pleasure) the one without needless pain sucks less.

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        4. Scott W.‏ @ScottDollaBillz Jan 11
          Replying to @WiseAwise6711 @SamHarrisOrg @CulturalHeresy1

          The objectivity of “needless” is not nearly as clear. How does a mental state differ if the suffering is necessary or unnecessary?

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        5. Arthur Wise‏ @WiseAwise6711 Jan 11
          Replying to @ScottDollaBillz @SamHarrisOrg @CulturalHeresy1

          Needless as in avoidable, unnecessary. U could go through life constantly burning ur hand but its needless suffering on path towards flourishing. Some mental states have slight stresses that may not be unavoidable such as learning something difficult to grasp or empathy.

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        6. Scott W.‏ @ScottDollaBillz Jan 11
          Replying to @WiseAwise6711 @SamHarrisOrg @CulturalHeresy1

          My broader point is that you've snuck in an "ought" or a value judgement with your descriptive "Needless" or "unnecessary". What you're saying is fine, but it is not solely reason.

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        7. Arthur Wise‏ @WiseAwise6711 Jan 11
          Replying to @ScottDollaBillz @SamHarrisOrg @CulturalHeresy1

          I dont think so. Needless is definitional. Some suffering is bound to fall into this category and we know this through objective means. If u wonder why one ought to avoid needless suffering the argument just turns to Harris’ Burning Stovetop.

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        8. Scott W.‏ @ScottDollaBillz Jan 11
          Replying to @WiseAwise6711 @SamHarrisOrg @CulturalHeresy1

          I'm not entirely sure I understand you. I agree that some suffering is unnecessary/needless based on my own intuitions. But your use of "objective" simply does not generalize beyond trivialities.

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        9. Arthur Wise‏ @WiseAwise6711 Jan 11
          Replying to @ScottDollaBillz @SamHarrisOrg @CulturalHeresy1

          I may be misunderstanding. Please explain further if u can.

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