We adopt the rules of reason as axioms not because they "ought" to work but because, empirically, they do. That's much more "is" than "ought".
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It's not the case that we "ought" to be logically coherent, but it is the case that logical coherence lead us to success in our endeavors. And those who succeed survive, they remain "is" (to mangle grammar), while failure leads more often to "is not".
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(That's not to say that "is" is better than "is not", that's non-demonstrable. I happen to feel that existence is better, but that's an "is" statement about my nervous system.)
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The best possible ought, is.https://twitter.com/reticentrich/status/951303487173857280 …
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Why does admitting you can't get "is" without obeying "oughts" in your favor? It seems to me to make the case there *is* a "divide". They are different. Really. Not fictionally.
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but there are also divides between different is statements. They don't all imply each other. Reality is unified, so there's no fundamentally unbridgeable divide
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Yes. But that introduces some slippery thinking. Sam sometimes has "science" meaning "rationality generally". A definition so elastic as to be useless as I try to say here: http://www.bretthall.org/the-moral-landscape-challenge.html …
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Reality and hence knowledge is a unified whole. But this doesn't mean science is not different from mathematics or morality just as females are not males. Unified reality doesn't mean "zero distinctions".
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Can't you derive ought from is with the logic of CR? Some facts, like the stabilization of digital information, are unexplainable without physical counterfactuals (so they imply the reality of physical counterfactuals under Deutschian CR), which need arbitrarily good constructors
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No, you cannot "derive" any such thing. You might be able to explain by recourse to a bunch of other assumptions but "derive" is technical. It means something like "logically prove the necessity of".
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Breathing IS necessary if you want to live beyond the next three minutes. Do any of you find it difficult to derive what you OUGHT to do (if you want to survive) based on this IS? This isn't to say you ought to value survival, but insofar as you do; ought flows freely from is.
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Making the leap to what you OUGHT to value based on what IS can be simple as acknowledging what you DO value. If it IS true you do value survival, you OUGHT to continue breathing. If you're waiting for it to be proven you can't derive an ought from an is, don't hold your breath.
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On a global scale, either you value the survival of our species and habitat, or you don't. If you don't, you don't count; if you do, you must acknowledge that certain values will ultimately ascend as more conducive to that goal, and from that IS we can say what we ought to do.
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Bravo. Well done

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Aww shucks!!! :)
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"ought" is the polite "should" which is the weak "must"
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I like the comparison. These are all varying strengths of conditional statements of the same category. I oughut to _ in order to _. I should _ in order to _. I must _ in order to _.
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You are correct. To make a longer list, we can add "I would prefer" before "I ought" as it is still weaker. Other variations would be "I would like, wish, want" but "I would prefer" nicely covers those variations.
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My thought is that people ought to look into it.
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@ortoiseortoise somehow his arguments getting even worse
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Yep. He's now shifted gears to claiming there is no difference between what is and what ought to be. It's like he's been possessed by Jordan Peterson.
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