Getting from “Is” to “Ought” 1/ Let’s assume that there are no ought’s or should’s in this universe. There is only what *is*—the totality of actual (and possible) facts.
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5/ If we *should* to do anything in this life, we should avoid what really and truly sucks. (If you consider this question-begging, consult your stove, as above.)
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6/ Of course, we can be confused or mistaken about experience. Something can suck for a while, only to reveal new experiences which don’t suck at all. On these occasions we say, “At first that sucked, but it was worth it!”
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7/ We can also be selfish and shortsighted. Many solutions to our problems are zero-sum (my gain will be your loss). But *better* solutions aren’t. (By what measure of “better”? Fewer things suck.)
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8/ So what is morality? What *ought* sentient beings like ourselves do? Understand how the world works (facts), so that we can avoid what sucks (values).
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Given we can’t even in principle solve simple to articulate logical puzzles ( https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029411-200-the-edge-of-reason-when-logic-fails-us/ … ) this idea that simply knowing all the facts is the answer to age old philosophical problems is weak.
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A proof for the reason why all benefit from the pursuit to attempt to reduce the distance to the knowledge horizon; while first ensuring that their perspective is not so myopic so as to miss the relevant subject matter areas
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You know that wiping out all sentinent being we could just wipe out all sentinent suffering? Why is not that a solution? Why bother existing if that implies suffering? It's the ultimate solution.
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Or we know exactly how to make things suck infinitely more for whomever or whatever we direct our ire. Therefore an a priori moral structure is necessary to even begin to make this decision. Trains and pesticide are wonderful inventions until you build yourself an Auschwitz.
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Yes...you would become as God. Also, if you could turn yourself inside out, you could smell the color banana4!
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"if we were to learn everything" This is where I split from you. What makes you think that's possible, and if it is it wont be a reality anytime soon. We can't get ought from is RIGHT NOW or in our lifetimes. So what are we suppose to do in the meantime? Use our axiomatic values.
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Unless you are saying the search for complete knowledge can render us only the opportunities to suck less, or the option of good if we choose, then I suppose that would make more sense.
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I think this assumes that people knowing everything will inevitably lead to people choosing to do good with that knowledge. I doubt love, hate, and war will cease simply because we have a complete periodic table :/
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This does not seem possible at all, which makes your next steps either unwarranted or impossible. We can only do what we think makes life “suck” less. While I agree there are objective realities/truths, I do not think we have consistent or reliable access to them.
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Firstly, suck less in who's opinion? You can't minimise the state of suckiness if you can't define it. Secondly, Gödel's incompleteness theorems suggest that it is unlikely that everything that *IS* is knowable.
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It clearly would not say anything about improving lives without a moral context. Libertarians care for the economic outcome by increasing work force no minimum wage. The left cares about those already working by increasing their wage.
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Or epiphenomena. Not that I subscribe to that viewpoint. Would be a weird world to live in. All that awareness without it being able to feed back into the system
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This definitely doesn't look right. You and a few of the podcast guests have been saying variants of this. Everything is just "information" sort of thing. An example would be this: knowing the English alphabets will not automatically give you Shakespeare.
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Similarly everything abt physics will not give you Chemistry. Here I use everything in a practical sense and not in an ALL inclusive sense. You can't know what you don't know. For e.g how much ever you try to understand physics on Pluto, you'll never get to chemistry on earth.
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Similarly knowing the bits on a CD will never get you the song. It has to be interpreted the right way. This interpretation is one out of an infinite variations. It is literally infinity. You cannot just wave it of as just "information".
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