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Author of The End of Faith, The Moral Landscape, Waking Up, and other bestselling books published in over 20 languages. Host of the Waking Up podcast.

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    Sam Harris‏Verified account @SamHarrisOrg Jan 10

    Getting from “Is” to “Ought” 1/ Let’s assume that there are no ought’s or should’s in this universe. There is only what *is*—the totality of actual (and possible) facts.

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      2. Sam Harris‏Verified account @SamHarrisOrg Jan 10

        2/ Among the myriad things that exist are conscious minds, susceptible to a vast range of actual (and possible) experiences.

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      3. Sam Harris‏Verified account @SamHarrisOrg Jan 10

        3/ Unfortunately, many experiences suck. And they don’t just suck as a matter of cultural convention or personal bias—they really and truly suck. (If you doubt this, place your hand on a hot stove and report back.)

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      4. Sam Harris‏Verified account @SamHarrisOrg Jan 10

        4/ Conscious minds are natural phenomena. Consequently, if we were to learn everything there is to know about physics, chemistry, biology, psychology, economics, etc., we would know everything there is to know about making our corner of the universe suck less.

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      5. Sam Harris‏Verified account @SamHarrisOrg Jan 10

        5/ If we *should* to do anything in this life, we should avoid what really and truly sucks. (If you consider this question-begging, consult your stove, as above.)

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      6. Sam Harris‏Verified account @SamHarrisOrg Jan 10

        6/ Of course, we can be confused or mistaken about experience. Something can suck for a while, only to reveal new experiences which don’t suck at all. On these occasions we say, “At first that sucked, but it was worth it!”

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      7. Sam Harris‏Verified account @SamHarrisOrg Jan 10

        7/ We can also be selfish and shortsighted. Many solutions to our problems are zero-sum (my gain will be your loss). But *better* solutions aren’t. (By what measure of “better”? Fewer things suck.)

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      8. Sam Harris‏Verified account @SamHarrisOrg Jan 10

        8/ So what is morality? What *ought* sentient beings like ourselves do? Understand how the world works (facts), so that we can avoid what sucks (values).

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      2. Aesthesia‏ @Aesthesia9 Jan 10
        Replying to @SamHarrisOrg

        The problem in this initial premise is it assumes the existence of possibility. But from the perspective of hard determinism, there is no "what may or might be", only "what is" and "what will certainly be"

        8 replies 1 retweet 22 likes
      3. Sam Harris‏Verified account @SamHarrisOrg Jan 10
        Replying to @Aesthesia9

        *Actual* experiences are sufficient for my argument. (And I might well be an actualist.) Whatever happens next, there is a vast difference between the best and worst outcomes. We can't help but try to navigate between them.

        4 replies 3 retweets 76 likes
      4. Aesthesia‏ @Aesthesia9 Jan 10
        Replying to @SamHarrisOrg

        Hmm... I think if you're a hard determinist, it would not make much sense to TRY at anything, bc the outcome is preordained, and if you're not, then you are granting POSSIBILITY is built into the very fabric of reality in a way that strict empiricism cannot account for

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      5. Sam Harris‏Verified account @SamHarrisOrg Jan 10
        Replying to @Aesthesia9

        Tell that to your stove.

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      6. Harrison Holland‏ @hholland13 Jan 10
        Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @Aesthesia9

        Get’em sampic.twitter.com/87uRUMVqYU

        3 replies 0 retweets 33 likes
      7. Aesthesia‏ @Aesthesia9 Jan 10
        Replying to @hholland13 @SamHarrisOrg

        except that he completely misconstrued my position lol

        7 replies 0 retweets 37 likes
      8. Wry Raccoon‏ @wryraccoon Jan 10
        Replying to @Aesthesia9 @hholland13 @SamHarrisOrg

        Lol 😂 all I get from his 8 tweets of rhetoric is that @SamHarrisOrg is thinking a lot about sucking.

        0 replies 2 retweets 24 likes
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      2. Teodor Zhechev‏ @tzhechev Jan 10
        Replying to @SamHarrisOrg

        You're glossing over the logical leap that "suck" is a value judgment, not a fact. It's not a universal experience despite being the most basic stimulus. Also, if that is the basis for our morality, the most efficient way to achieve a "suckless" world is to destroy it.

        8 replies 2 retweets 40 likes
      3. Tatyana M‏ @TanyushM Jan 10
        Replying to @tzhechev @SamHarrisOrg

        Consult your stove. How is this experience not universal?

        2 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
      4. Teodor Zhechev‏ @tzhechev Jan 10
        Replying to @TanyushM @SamHarrisOrg

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenital_insensitivity_to_pain …

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      5. Tatyana M‏ @TanyushM Jan 10
        Replying to @tzhechev @SamHarrisOrg

        So how this rare condition proves the point that pain from the hot stove is not universal?

        2 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
      6. Teodor Zhechev‏ @tzhechev Jan 10
        Replying to @TanyushM @SamHarrisOrg

        Well, it literally is not universal, for one, because there are people who don't experience it. That's just the extreme end of people who have a different experience and hence "value" it differently. How can we build a universal morality on top of it?

        9 replies 1 retweet 27 likes
      7. Teodor Zhechev‏ @tzhechev Jan 10
        Replying to @tzhechev @TanyushM @SamHarrisOrg

        And if we're not looking to build a universal system of morality from facts (because individuals value facts differently), then there's no way we're going to end up building a morality system that benefits everyone.

        3 replies 2 retweets 14 likes
      8. Tatyana M‏ @TanyushM Jan 11
        Replying to @tzhechev @SamHarrisOrg

        that's exactly where science comes in as Sam mentions. Because science works with probabilities. I'm genuinely interested in this question and have been contemplating it since long time and I honestly can't find a good example where science wouldn't be the answer

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      9. Teodor Zhechev‏ @tzhechev Jan 11
        Replying to @TanyushM @SamHarrisOrg

        But that just assumes that you can even define 'goodness' down to a scalar value. We agree on a lot of things as good, but we also disagree on many others and there isn't a mathematical way to solve moral dilemmas. Is abortion bad, scientifically? Is it good?

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