Did you hit him with your best shot?
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Haha. I'm here to drop this one: the episode should have been called "Meaning of Life is a Battlefield".
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Imagine this guy having a debate with Jordan Peterson..... Existence is not true because it sucks...
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He did you should check it out. It got pretty lit.
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Merry Christmas from Sam Harris
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This was tough to listen to. I didn't get to finish it. Can you at least let me know if there's a happy ending? He's kidding, right?
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This was like listening to flat earth theory debate for two hours.
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It was really hard, wasn't it? As though he was so unhappy he couldn't imagine other people finding joy in life.
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I really think he’s just trolling.
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Not sure which option I'd prefer
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(1/3) I think David Benatars argument has at least this one big flaw: He says that the potential happiness of potential lives is not worth anything, because there is no one there to wish for them yet. But he paradoxically argues that the potential suffering of potential lives is
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(2/3) a huge reason to NOT bring someone into life, and ignores that there is no one there who wants to avoid it either. He does the opposite trick when he talks about existing lives. He chooses to bring expectations of happiness or suffering into the equation, only when its
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(3/3) convenient for the conclusion he wants to arrive at. It would be more intellectually honest to either always count both positive and negative expectations as a factor, or never do it.
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Officially the first Waking Up Podcast from which I retired. I almost made it to 30 minutes but it was a heavy lift. Is it possible some conversations are just not worth having? How does one dedicate a life to such piffle? Better to have never been... agreed Mr B
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in a way, anti-natalism is built on an inverted morality, in that it takes evolutionary mechanisms that we use to survive (compassion, empathy, and aversion to suffering), as individuals and as a species, and uses them as the basis to advocate for our self-imposed extinction.
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I thought you were much kinder to him than you were to Jordan Peterson.
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For me, the following quote of yours applies very well to this episode: “Once again, we’ve hit philosophical bedrock with the shovel of a stupid question.”
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Great convo. I kept questioning how the amount of "suffering" is being quantified. If you are mindfully observing the present moment, without pleasure or suffering, is that better than not having lived at all?
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