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@michaelshermer What's strange is a smart man like yourself making blanket general statements regarding "religious people".
.@cjd_78 @SamHarrisOrg @michaelshermer I think you may have overlooked the modifying term 'often' which makes it a perfectly true statement.
This isn't an actual biblical concept. I don't think most Xtians even believe it. It's a strawman
Religious people do "often" make this argument so it simply can't be a straw man.
It would be a straw man if he attributed it to a specific person who didn't make that argument.
No he's claiming it to be a biblical teaching. It's not. It's a popular false one.
He never claimed it was a biblical teaching.
He said that it might as well be "doctrine".
They've conflated good with 'God' & don't see it comes from them. This is excellent explanation.https://www.amazon.com/Everybody-Wrong-About-James-Lindsay/dp/1634310365/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1474667546&sr=1-1&keywords=everybody+is+wrong+about+god …
most of us have natural good drives but I would argue some element of faith can help reinforce them.
You can channel it through them, yes. Or you can get very confused abt what good actually is & kill a load of ppl
I think majority of ppl do the former.Drawn to brotherly love etc parts. But moral judgement can get v messed up
my uncle asked me what's my religion? I said peace, he said that's great because peace comes from the bible. 


@michaelshermer Just had this conversation w/ some friendly people from a church and that just wasn't good enough for them. :/
They've been trained to not accept anything as a reason -- empathy, for instance -- to be moral except a god.
But people should at least be honest enough to admit they wouldn't cheat or murder, then consider why that is.
it doesn’t mean they have suppressed murderous thoughts. It means they think they would be morally aimless absent their faith.
It’s because their worldview is ENTIRELY built on their faith. They imagine nothing but a tumble to nihilism without it.
I'm a psychopath WITH my faith.
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