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Author of The End of Faith, The Moral Landscape, Waking Up, and other bestselling books published in over 20 languages. Host of the Waking Up podcast.

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    1. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher Nov 2

      Brett Hall Retweeted Sam Harris

      Aside: almost all knowledge fits this bill. All our best theories do. They “keep winning” against criticism. But when they lose (a criticism stands) it’s because we‘ve found something objectively better. We can never rule that out & indeed *hope* it happens eventually. Progress!https://twitter.com/SamHarrisOrg/status/1058234180243312640 …

      Brett Hall added,

      Sam HarrisVerified account @SamHarrisOrg
      Replying to @reason_wit_me @ToKTeacher and 3 others
      What do you call an intuition that keeps winning these contests, and about which you have to see a coherent criticism?
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      Sam Harris‏Verified account @SamHarrisOrg Nov 3
      Replying to @ToKTeacher

      I don't disagree. So get back to me when you find some reason to believe that the *worst possible misery for everyone* isn't "bad," or that consciousness might be an illusion. Either would rattle my worldview.

      5:40 PM - 3 Nov 2018
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        2. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher Nov 3
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg

          I don’t have “reasons to believe” - (for anything...there’s our difference in epistemology again). The first premise is another way of saying “Let’s avoid hell” - indeed I agree. But we can solve moral problems, and be moral realists without needing to grant these premises.

          3 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
        3. Ragnar‏ @Riskarr5 Nov 3
          Replying to @ToKTeacher @SamHarrisOrg

          I'm not sure you understand what he's saying.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        4. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher Nov 3
          Replying to @Riskarr5 @SamHarrisOrg

          Always possible. Indeed it’s the rule rather than the exception. “It is impossible to speak in such a way that you cannot be misunderstood” - Karl Popper.

          0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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        2. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher Nov 4
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg

          I cannot. So I've written something brief that may not rattle, but tap gently on that worldview. It's about your (excellent) focus on the dangers of dogma over the years. Here's the conclusion, but maybe some of the rest of this might be of interest too: http://www.bretthall.org/blog/questioning-foundations …pic.twitter.com/Xze2ivmCsC

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        2. Sam Harris‏Verified account @SamHarrisOrg Nov 3
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @ToKTeacher

          Actually, the criterion is even weaker than "believe." Show me how someone could *coherently conjecture* that either premise *might* be true.

          6 replies 0 retweets 17 likes
        3. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher Nov 3
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg

          For a long time I could never “coherently conjecture” how some of Euclid’s axioms *might* be true. Then I learned some non-Euclidean geometry. Euclid’s axioms are very useful. As are yours. They just don’t need to be enshrined as infallible absolutes to refute moral relativism :)

          2 replies 0 retweets 21 likes
        4. JsJ‏ @badaxiom Nov 3
          Replying to @ToKTeacher @SamHarrisOrg

          This doesn't make sense. An axiom is an assumption by definition. You suppose those are true within a given framework.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        5. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher Nov 4
          Replying to @badaxiom @SamHarrisOrg

          Mathematicians never need to suppose axioms are true to solve problems. They can assert “These are the axioms, now what follows necessarily?” It’s not about proving stuff true. It’s about proving stuff. Crucial difference. I mention a little of that here: http://www.bretthall.org/blog/questioning-foundations …

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        6. JsJ‏ @badaxiom Nov 4
          Replying to @ToKTeacher @SamHarrisOrg

          I'm confused, this was my entire point. Great blog though will be reading more as you post. For the sake of discussion, please regard the axiom of choice; axioms can have interesting consequences.

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        2. SelfishWizard‏ @SelfishWizard Nov 4
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @ToKTeacher

          Sam, the existence of consciousness conclusively disproves your naive #moral point. Your #consciousness is always subjective and inaccessible to other beings. What you believe is "bad" is always a subjective judgment. Thus truth is not a quality that a moral statement can have.

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        3. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher Nov 4
          Replying to @SelfishWizard @SamHarrisOrg

          We have some access to the consciousness of other human beings. Being unable to access things “directly” doesn’t mean we’ve no access at all. The cores of stars are things we don’t have direct experience of. But we know quite well what’s going on there in terms of physics, etc.

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        4. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher Nov 4
          Replying to @ToKTeacher @SelfishWizard @SamHarrisOrg

          So, when a person says “I’m happy” & they’re smiling & really energetic & having fun you *know* (fallibly, as always) something about what their conscious subjective state is like. Consciousness may be a mystery but mysteries don’t mean there’s nothing sensible to say.

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        2. Andrew Rabbitt‏ @GhostOfFrederic Nov 4
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @ToKTeacher

          Why is misery bad and what makes it so? What is pain? What is suffering? What are the SI units for either...?

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        3. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher Nov 4
          Replying to @GhostOfFrederic @SamHarrisOrg

          Misery is something like being in a seemingly perpetual state of being unable to solve your most pressing problems. There can be no “unit” for measuring such a thing & the desire for one is scientism. I distinguish suffering from mere pain here: http://www.bretthall.org/humans-and-other-animals.html …

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        4. Andrew Rabbitt‏ @GhostOfFrederic Nov 4
          Replying to @ToKTeacher @SamHarrisOrg

          If there is a quantity of something, why can't it have units? If you can have more suffering or less suffering you must be able to quantify it somehow else more or less is more or less meaningless.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher Nov 4
          Replying to @GhostOfFrederic @SamHarrisOrg

          Only you have the required access to your internal subjectivity. You may judge your happiness a "6" & I might judge mine "9" even if they're identical as you've higher standards than me, say. But also, in order to measure a thing we need a measuring *device*-what could that be?

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        6. Andrew Rabbitt‏ @GhostOfFrederic Nov 4
          Replying to @ToKTeacher @SamHarrisOrg

          You are assuming that happiness, pain and suffering share the same units and can be measured on the same scale? I doubt this somehow.

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        7. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher Nov 4
          Replying to @GhostOfFrederic @SamHarrisOrg

          I doubt it too as I’m not assuming any such thing. I say: such states cannot be *measured* at all. What is the objective *ruler* for these things? It can’t be an fMRI (4 eg) as that measures ontologically objective states. What you’d require is access to ontological subjectivity.

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        8. Andrew Rabbitt‏ @GhostOfFrederic Nov 4
          Replying to @ToKTeacher @SamHarrisOrg

          I suspect we can't measure it yet because we still don't know what it is. Magnetism was just a weird force that couldn't be quantified until it people studied it hard enough and long enough.

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