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Author of The End of Faith, The Moral Landscape, Waking Up, and other bestselling books published in over 20 languages. Host of the Waking Up podcast.

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    Sam Harris‏Verified account @SamHarrisOrg Jul 18

    It's just amazing that @coldxman is an undergraduate. Brave, eloquent, restrained—the kid is an absolute killer. It will be an honor to meet him at our conference in NYC in November. Black American Culture and the Racial Wealth Gap - Quillettehttps://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/ …

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      2. Kyle V‏ @kylev Jul 19
        Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @coldxman

        Oh, I've read that piece. It's entirely believable that he's an undergrad. Half the first section explodes when you realize the South didn't flourish *because* of its poor choice of economic system (capitalism+slavery). They fell behind at the industrial revolution because of it!

        23 replies 63 retweets 994 likes
      3. Kyle V‏ @kylev Jul 19
        Replying to @kylev

        And while the north was industrializing and inventing whole new industries (and massive wealth), the southern economy kept pumping capital into agrarian human suffering. Northern wealth begat more wealth. And the south still lags behind today *because* of this.

        4 replies 20 retweets 584 likes
      4. Kyle V‏ @kylev Jul 19
        Replying to @kylev

        Capital didn't just magically flow southward and even out when the Civil War was over. They fixed the railroads and manufactured northern goods flowed in to compete with local hand-made goods. Money flowed north.

        3 replies 13 retweets 418 likes
      5. Kyle V‏ @kylev Jul 19
        Replying to @kylev

        And let's not underestimate the amount of "capital" that vanished from the southern states with the Emancipation Proclamation. Ill-conceived rebellion aside, their economy changed a lot when they weren't allowed to count *actual human beings* as farm equipment.

        2 replies 17 retweets 470 likes
      6. Kyle V‏ @kylev Jul 19
        Replying to @kylev

        And let's not pretend Jim Crow didn't face-fist the southern economy, too. City governments literally built twice as many water fountains as necessary. The best guy for the job couldn't contribute to the economy because his skin was the wrong color.

        1 reply 22 retweets 504 likes
      7. Kyle V‏ @kylev Jul 19
        Replying to @kylev

        I can't believe I have to tell supposed denizens of liberalism and market economics, but chattel slavery, racism, sexism, homophobia, and most forms of discrimination are both immoral and market inefficiencies.

        5 replies 55 retweets 720 likes
      8. Kyle V‏ @kylev Jul 19
        Replying to @kylev

        And this is still true today. And it flows to the individuals, too. The "best guy for the job" with dark skin doesn't ever realize his true economic value. Not because of anything he did, but entirely because of a shortcoming of self-awareness about bias by a hiring manager.

        6 replies 17 retweets 407 likes
      9. Kyle V‏ @kylev Jul 19
        Replying to @kylev

        What is even going on in the skeptic/atheist community? What happened to expertise? Why would anyone go listen to an undergrad talk to a neurologist about the economics of racism? There are actual *academic* experts in this stuff!

        17 replies 75 retweets 878 likes
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      2. J G‏ @jgrevolucion Jul 18
        Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @coldxman

        I generally agree that culture plays a role. However, there is a logical failure in the pedestrian parable argument. The person with the broken spine will likely never have the same mobility as a healthy person & in that scenario the person who caused it likely would have to pay

        3 replies 1 retweet 68 likes
      3. Aaron‏ @TheForswornKing Jul 18
        Replying to @jgrevolucion @SamHarrisOrg @coldxman

        No. He mentioned that the driver would have to pay. But no matter how much money you give the pedestrian the only person that can heal that pedestrian is themselves. That's the goal of the parable. That people can't solve problems that you have to fix yourself.

        9 replies 0 retweets 34 likes
      4. J G‏ @jgrevolucion Jul 18
        Replying to @TheForswornKing @SamHarrisOrg @coldxman

        I agree he mentioned driver may pay but even if the person hit does put forth the effort, they will likely not be the same again (if you know much about serious spine injuries). Maybe could come up with a better analogy.

        2 replies 1 retweet 28 likes
      5. Aaron‏ @TheForswornKing Jul 18
        Replying to @jgrevolucion @SamHarrisOrg @coldxman

        The analogy is as it stands. The parable is to teach the importance of agency for ones own decisions. That the solution of people outside yourself are temporary at best. That in the end you are the one that decides your fate.

        4 replies 0 retweets 31 likes
      6. J G‏ @jgrevolucion Jul 18
        Replying to @TheForswornKing @SamHarrisOrg @coldxman

        I get that but It's still flawed because even if the person with the broken spine puts the effort in - they won't be equal in ability and he's trying to say that other groups changed their culture and even surpassed native ones.

        4 replies 0 retweets 38 likes
      7. Aaron‏ @TheForswornKing Jul 18
        Replying to @jgrevolucion @SamHarrisOrg @coldxman

        What you would be looking for is equality of outcome in that situation which is an unobtainable goal along side a fair and just system. Unless you're advocating we create a system of special treatment based on arbitrary traits unchoosable at birth.

        4 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      8. J G‏ @jgrevolucion Jul 18
        Replying to @TheForswornKing @SamHarrisOrg @coldxman

        I'm not looking for equality of outcome. The author was saying that other minority cultures have exceeded native ones but he picked a bad analogy to represent that b/c someone w/a broken spine isn't going to recover to his former ability, let alone surpass other healthier people

        1 reply 0 retweets 43 likes
      9. Aaron‏ @TheForswornKing Jul 18
        Replying to @jgrevolucion @SamHarrisOrg @coldxman

        I can see that maybe looking at the parable in a literal sense we see that the pedestrian will never be healed back to 100%. But would you not grant that the parable explains that in the absence of the own pedestrians actions that he will never heal at all?

        2 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
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      2. Mehrsa Baradaran‏ @MehrsaBaradaran Jul 19
        Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @coldxman

        Hi @SamHarrisOrg. I wrote one of the books featured in this article. I’d love to talk to you about it if you’re open to hearing another perspective

        22 replies 20 retweets 398 likes
      3. Rob‏ @kindofbluenyc Jul 19
        Replying to @MehrsaBaradaran @SamHarrisOrg @coldxman

        Sam does not want another perspective. ‘Black people are lazy. It’s all on them.’ Nothing to see here.pic.twitter.com/QIUvFO6Ruj

        3 replies 2 retweets 80 likes
      4. Ryan Webb‏ @Rwebb400 Jul 19
        Replying to @kindofbluenyc @MehrsaBaradaran and

        Excuse me but Sam is definitely not a racist. Thinking that reflexively is a clear sign that you haven't honestly engaged with his views at all.

        14 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
      5. Rob‏ @kindofbluenyc Jul 20
        Replying to @Rwebb400 @MehrsaBaradaran and

        You have zero credibility to determine who is a racist. lol. Everyone over the age of ten is racist. Some are just slightly racist other are card carrying racist. Sam is somewhere in between. Children are the only ones not infected.

        3 replies 0 retweets 15 likes
      6. Ryan Webb‏ @Rwebb400 Jul 20
        Replying to @kindofbluenyc @MehrsaBaradaran and

        Excuse me? No reason was given for this statement. What makes you an expert on what is/isn't racism? Jesus the cognitive dissonance of you folks in this thread is alarming.

        4 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      7. robogreen‏ @robogreen Jul 20
        Replying to @Rwebb400 @kindofbluenyc and

        "you folks"

        1 reply 0 retweets 34 likes
      8. Ryan Webb‏ @Rwebb400 Jul 20
        Replying to @robogreen @kindofbluenyc and

        Really man? Are we doing that now? You know that isn't what was meant in this context.... Come on...

        1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
      9. robogreen‏ @robogreen Jul 20
        Replying to @Rwebb400 @kindofbluenyc and

        yes, in a conversation about astoundingly blinkered white men saying exquisitely stupid things about race, yes, we are going to go ahead and do that.

        1 reply 0 retweets 50 likes
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