This is really getting weird
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What’s the deal bro!!?
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I think people should just admit they’re in a tribe. The same group of people share the same collection of articles etc. just make the argument their tribe is better as it invites discussing and criticism etc
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Being part of a classifiable group and participating in tribalism are not the same thing.
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Would you agree or disagree they don’t engage in tribalism?
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Are you a nationalist or a racist? By your criteria you would have to be.
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Nice article. My view: our context determines the questions we ask and how we interpret evidence. Harris did not spring fully formed from nowhere. His approach and opinions are never "neutral", and it is naive to think so. In this sense
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It seems as though they are having two different discussions. I don't think most people are taking tribalism to mean we inhabit an infinite number tribes to accommodate each opinion we hold, but that seems to be Klein's take.
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Having a high level of agreement does not place you in a tribe: loyalty does. Tribalism is not the same thing as demographics, or other means of classification. Tribalism is commitment to the group.
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In the realm of ideas, I don't think it is about commitment as much as it is consistency or reliability. Demographics - race, class, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age, etc - can predict with some degree of accuracy how people think about a given issue.
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Then you and Ezra are using a separate definition from everyone else. Being a member of a tribe does not make one a tribe a tribalist any more than being a member of a race makes one a racist or, more to the point, being a member of a nation makes one a nationalist.
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I’m sure Klein is correct that everyone has tribal tendencies. But I see my tribalism as a cognitive bias that should be rooted out and eliminated wherever possible. Not something that should be embraced and rationalised.
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At this point, I sometimes find it harder to explain to diehard Leftists what skepticism and freethinking within politics is, than talking someone out of their religious faith
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Doubtful
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Everything going on, our country being run by anti-science, hell anti-fact and self delusional fascists, and this is the best you have Sam? You were doing so well a year ago. Let go of your ego - who is the real enemy? FOCUS.
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Sam Harris: "Atheism is not a religion!"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJvvTbrnx1c …
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I thought it was going to be an article about the Jewish tribe. So many are experts at ignoring that elephant. I don't think it's irrelevant here.
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Fucking sick of hearing a bunch of jews rail against identity politics while simultaneously ingoring fact jews are most ethnocentric people on the planet by a country mile. This is getting outrageous.
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LOL, you cut right to the chase. IDW is for snowflakes unless they can discuss this. JBP actually will talk about it...but never heard him discuss with IDW Jews...which would be...interesting
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All I saw w JBP was he explained away the JQ by saying higher IQ accounts for the disproportionate success. Which largely misses the point of the JQ. IDW won't ever touch JQ, or if they do, they'll offer that same weak-ass explanation.
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But he did talk about it. Even cited Kevin MacDonald indicating he's more knowledgeable than he lets on (would also indicate he is being deliberately dishonest). Anyone who heard the weak IQ explanation would be redpilled because it's so obv incomplete.
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