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Author of The End of Faith, The Moral Landscape, Waking Up, and other bestselling books published in over 20 languages. Host of the Waking Up podcast.

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    1. Eric Weinstein‏Verified account @EricRWeinstein Jun 1

      Eric Weinstein Retweeted ABC News

      I disagree w @SamHarrisOrg here & am far more troubled by @nytimes than he. I think what he thinks makes it pretty good is exactly what makes it terrifying to me. I agree it often fact checks. It’s well written. It often includes reporting. But news-narratives are a deal breaker.https://twitter.com/abcnews/status/1002059733275238400 …

      Eric Weinstein added,

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      ABC NewsVerified account @abcnews
      Is social media driving us insane? American neuroscientist and bestselling author Sam Harris (@SamHarrisOrg) suggests it might be. Watch the full interview on #TheWorld tonight. pic.twitter.com/122N9Tk2kL
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    2. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly Jun 1
      Replying to @EricRWeinstein @SamHarrisOrg @nytimes

      Profoundly self-deceived bias wrapped in the illusion of professional objectivity (NY Times, The Economist, Pravda) is much more dangerous than amateurish, shamelessly partisan enthusiasm (Breitbart).

      14 replies 86 retweets 425 likes
    3. Eric Weinstein‏Verified account @EricRWeinstein Jun 1
      Replying to @primalpoly @SamHarrisOrg @nytimes

      Exactly, no? I’m fascinated by why this point is so difficult to make. It’s the “uncanny valley of journalism” where things get hyper disturbing the closer the form gets to objectivity, while the narrative remains the true, if hidden, driver.

      12 replies 23 retweets 249 likes
    4. Sam Harris‏Verified account @SamHarrisOrg Jun 1
      Replying to @EricRWeinstein @primalpoly @nytimes

      I don't disagree. As I said in this interview, the burden is on journals like the NYT to be impeccable (and to apologize and correct errors immediately). I also said their standards appear to be declining.

      12 replies 10 retweets 219 likes
    5. Sam Harris‏Verified account @SamHarrisOrg Jun 1
      Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @EricRWeinstein and

      My actual point was that misinformation in the NYT is much worse.

      9 replies 3 retweets 172 likes
    6. Eric Weinstein‏Verified account @EricRWeinstein Jun 1
      Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @primalpoly @nytimes

      Okay. From my side I want to agree w/ you that fact checking at NYT is still pretty good. Where I’m going is omission checking, Russell Conjugated emotional instructions, narrative driven reporting, character assassination, etc. Fact checking makes this worse to me. Not better.

      10 replies 17 retweets 159 likes
    7. Eric Weinstein‏Verified account @EricRWeinstein Jun 1
      Replying to @EricRWeinstein @SamHarrisOrg and

      In other words I’m not as worried about the facts. I can often pick facts out of the soup of political cheerleading. If NYT were perfect on all the facts they reported it wouldn’t solve the problem. Might it not, arguably, make the omissions/narrative/assassination problem worse?

      11 replies 10 retweets 131 likes
    8. Eric Weinstein‏Verified account @EricRWeinstein Jun 1
      Replying to @EricRWeinstein @SamHarrisOrg and

      But, @SamHarrisOrg. Is the problem here that your definitions of misinformation actually includes *all* known journalistic distortion tricks (e.g. Russell Conjugation, buried ledes, “to be sure” graphs, etc.). That would shift my sense away from facts as the center of your issue.

      3 replies 6 retweets 74 likes
      Sam Harris‏Verified account @SamHarrisOrg Jun 1
      Replying to @EricRWeinstein @primalpoly @nytimes

      Getting the facts straight covers most of this. It includes not misleading by omitting relevant facts. And it includes avoiding words/shadings that convey the wrong impression.

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        2. Eric Weinstein‏Verified account @EricRWeinstein Jun 1
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @primalpoly @nytimes

          Okay! So my guess is that you & I are within range on theory. Perhaps I believe the emotional, cryptic and narrative framings are the center of the story, while you may view the reported facts as the center? I fear news is now a loss leader & emotional manipulation, the payload.

          25 replies 18 retweets 246 likes
        3. Handwaving Freakoutery‏ @Freakoutery Jun 1
          Replying to @EricRWeinstein @SamHarrisOrg and

          It's not a loss leader, it's a click commodity. Fixed number of citizens, fixed attention hours. Many actors in the marketplace for the commodity, counted by the click. All marketing is secondary sharing via FB/etc. The only way to stay alive as a business is to peddle anxiety.

          2 replies 1 retweet 7 likes
        4. Handwaving Freakoutery‏ @Freakoutery Jun 1
          Replying to @Freakoutery @EricRWeinstein and

          The marketplace killed the whales to make margarine, and now its killing the 'news' for the clicks. Stop thinking about journalistic integrity and start thinking about marketplace mechanics in fixed resource systems. Use your IDW tools.

          0 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
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        2. Eric D. Özkan‏ @ericozkan1 Jun 1
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @EricRWeinstein and

          Getting the facts straight in a scientific environment is comparatively easy compared to getting them straight in a journalistic environment with all its distractions. Scientists can take their time in telling a story...journalists can’t.

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
        3. Eric D. Özkan‏ @ericozkan1 Jun 1
          Replying to @ericozkan1 @SamHarrisOrg and

          It’s naive to believe that journalists will report the facts as a scientist is trained to do. I refer you to your own conversation with Ezra Klein. Journalists must tell a story every time they write....regardless of the quality of their facts. Not everything can be science.

          0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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        1. Buie‏ @JCorneliusBuie Jun 1
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @EricRWeinstein and

          I want some level of bias in my journalism. Journalists are well-informed inquisitors, not soulless machines. The fact that reality leans to the left isn't an argument against liberalism. It's a argument against what we currently consider to be the center.

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        1. Sam‏ @sammuriah Jun 1
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @EricRWeinstein and

          I think this is an extremely important topic to cover in a long-form podcast. If you haven’t checked them out, @theknifemedia pulls back the layers of “paint” that has inclined so many people (for lack of a better common term) to attribute incorrectly as #fakenews

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        1. M-Phatic‏ @M_Phatical Jun 1
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @EricRWeinstein and

          Do a podcast on this, you guys.

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        2. Calum Leitch‏ @CalumLeitch Jun 1
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @EricRWeinstein and

          Surely we all get the point here?Intellectually honest and "good faith" reporting is as important as isolated facts. Not much to discuss?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. devicious‏ @yohann_do Jun 1
          Replying to @CalumLeitch @SamHarrisOrg and

          Exactly. Weinstein is being pedantic. Harris was live on TV, didn't quite make good points specific enough, but they were still valid. Weinstein determined to carve out his idw space by showing narcissistic tiny differences

          0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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        1. Rune Bøen‏ @runeboen Jun 1
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @EricRWeinstein and

          It seems obvious that getting the facts right would not only be good, but also highly desirable for all. Some facts might be hard to handle, however that’s a job for qualified people. The burden can’t be put on journalists alone but they could strive to be as good as possible.

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        1. Bryan Fyock‏ @centerfluid Jun 1
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @EricRWeinstein and

          Podcast with @EricRWeinstein , please!

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        1. Andrew Stevens‏ @evidence_reason Jun 3
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @EricRWeinstein and

          @kmele and @joshzepps explored some of this in episode 89 of #wethepeoplelive - worth a listen if you haven't heard it.

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        1. Joey Todak‏ @JoeyTodak1 Jun 1
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @EricRWeinstein and

          Yeah, what Sam said. Eric, chill out mate.

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        1. Norman Rockwell‏ @rockwell_n2 Jun 1
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @EricRWeinstein and

          Courts gave up on this long time ago. Despite being cheaper, we don't have a single, neutral arbiter present the facts to a jury.

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        1. Grey Area‏ @tardomatic Jun 1
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @EricRWeinstein and

          The problem is that it's possible to imagine the same facts covered in a such a way as to convey a different slant. Take something as simple as the usage of left vs right. Perhaps rank everyone with political compass points vs conflating classical liberals with "far right."

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        1. Alfons Åberg‏ @21dicks Jun 1
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @EricRWeinstein and

          Yes! Do a podcast. I think where you two diverge the most is on expert vs amateur and mainstream vs fringe thinking

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        1. Gerd Keper‏ @GaKePe Jun 1
          Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @EricRWeinstein and

          But which impression is wrong? That X has strong principles or that X is pigheaded? Or should journalism stay away from all words that could be judgemental? Is that even possible?

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