I disagree w @SamHarrisOrg here & am far more troubled by @nytimes than he. I think what he thinks makes it pretty good is exactly what makes it terrifying to me. I agree it often fact checks. It’s well written. It often includes reporting. But news-narratives are a deal breaker.https://twitter.com/abcnews/status/1002059733275238400 …
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Okay! So my guess is that you & I are within range on theory. Perhaps I believe the emotional, cryptic and narrative framings are the center of the story, while you may view the reported facts as the center? I fear news is now a loss leader & emotional manipulation, the payload.
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It's not a loss leader, it's a click commodity. Fixed number of citizens, fixed attention hours. Many actors in the marketplace for the commodity, counted by the click. All marketing is secondary sharing via FB/etc. The only way to stay alive as a business is to peddle anxiety.
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The marketplace killed the whales to make margarine, and now its killing the 'news' for the clicks. Stop thinking about journalistic integrity and start thinking about marketplace mechanics in fixed resource systems. Use your IDW tools.
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Getting the facts straight in a scientific environment is comparatively easy compared to getting them straight in a journalistic environment with all its distractions. Scientists can take their time in telling a story...journalists can’t.
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It’s naive to believe that journalists will report the facts as a scientist is trained to do. I refer you to your own conversation with Ezra Klein. Journalists must tell a story every time they write....regardless of the quality of their facts. Not everything can be science.
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I want some level of bias in my journalism. Journalists are well-informed inquisitors, not soulless machines. The fact that reality leans to the left isn't an argument against liberalism. It's a argument against what we currently consider to be the center.
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I think this is an extremely important topic to cover in a long-form podcast. If you haven’t checked them out,
@theknifemedia pulls back the layers of “paint” that has inclined so many people (for lack of a better common term) to attribute incorrectly as#fakenewsThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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Do a podcast on this, you guys.
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Surely we all get the point here?Intellectually honest and "good faith" reporting is as important as isolated facts. Not much to discuss?
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Exactly. Weinstein is being pedantic. Harris was live on TV, didn't quite make good points specific enough, but they were still valid. Weinstein determined to carve out his idw space by showing narcissistic tiny differences
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It seems obvious that getting the facts right would not only be good, but also highly desirable for all. Some facts might be hard to handle, however that’s a job for qualified people. The burden can’t be put on journalists alone but they could strive to be as good as possible.
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Podcast with
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@kmele and@joshzepps explored some of this in episode 89 of#wethepeoplelive - worth a listen if you haven't heard it.Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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Yeah, what Sam said. Eric, chill out mate.
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Courts gave up on this long time ago. Despite being cheaper, we don't have a single, neutral arbiter present the facts to a jury.
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The problem is that it's possible to imagine the same facts covered in a such a way as to convey a different slant. Take something as simple as the usage of left vs right. Perhaps rank everyone with political compass points vs conflating classical liberals with "far right."
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Yes! Do a podcast. I think where you two diverge the most is on expert vs amateur and mainstream vs fringe thinking
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But which impression is wrong? That X has strong principles or that X is pigheaded? Or should journalism stay away from all words that could be judgemental? Is that even possible?
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