I disagree w @SamHarrisOrg here & am far more troubled by @nytimes than he. I think what he thinks makes it pretty good is exactly what makes it terrifying to me. I agree it often fact checks. It’s well written. It often includes reporting. But news-narratives are a deal breaker.https://twitter.com/abcnews/status/1002059733275238400 …
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My actual point was that misinformation in the NYT is much worse.
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Okay. From my side I want to agree w/ you that fact checking at NYT is still pretty good. Where I’m going is omission checking, Russell Conjugated emotional instructions, narrative driven reporting, character assassination, etc. Fact checking makes this worse to me. Not better.
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In other words I’m not as worried about the facts. I can often pick facts out of the soup of political cheerleading. If NYT were perfect on all the facts they reported it wouldn’t solve the problem. Might it not, arguably, make the omissions/narrative/assassination problem worse?
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@SamHarrisOrg. Is the problem here that your definitions of misinformation actually includes *all* known journalistic distortion tricks (e.g. Russell Conjugation, buried ledes, “to be sure” graphs, etc.). That would shift my sense away from facts as the center of your issue. -
Getting the facts straight covers most of this. It includes not misleading by omitting relevant facts. And it includes avoiding words/shadings that convey the wrong impression.
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Okay! So my guess is that you & I are within range on theory. Perhaps I believe the emotional, cryptic and narrative framings are the center of the story, while you may view the reported facts as the center? I fear news is now a loss leader & emotional manipulation, the payload.
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@EricRWeinstein: to call Breitbart’s dishonesty “amateurish enthusiasm” is to swallow the (blue) pill of propaganda. There’s no comparison to the NYT: You we’re right to say so. -
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@primalpoly ‘s, but@EricRWeinstein agreed.)
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"We demand that the New York Times report the news objectively, Pack said to the applause of the demonstrators, many of whom carried copies of The Times dyed yellow, to dramatize their opposition to "yellow journalism."" HOT TAKE ON THE NYT FROM...1980
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It didn't come across like that, so thank you for your clarification
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I see this as a sort of "Trump effect." He appears to lower all American standards. He makes you defend yourself or attack on his low level. I find this too in discourses with his supporters.
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NYT has already declined.
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Those are important points.
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and loudly
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