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12) The reason, basically, is: b) If an asset's price moves 3x in 1 minute, it's decently likely to be bad data, or a temporary wick, or something like that b) If the asset's price stays there for 5 hours, that new price is likely the true economic price
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13) FTX's MNGO index price moved--there should be *some* update--but much less than others because of those EWMA price bands. In particular, while FTX's index topped out at a ~100% increase, on some exchanges the move (temporarily!) hit a +900% increase (!!!).
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14) Second, FTX uses 'IMF Factors'. The larger your position, the greater % margin we charge. For MNGO, the margin we charge is 0.00025 * sqrt(MNGO tokens). If you wanted to have a 500m MNGO position, FTX would have required, uh, 500%. (Bounded at 'fully funded'.)
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16) And some positions -- like the one in question -- are large and illiquid enough that the risk engine forces you to fully collateralize a position.
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17) So even before hitting position limits, the risk engine ensures that the collateral backing a position is sufficient. And what if you try to use something other than dollars as collateral? Well, we haircut it. In some cases, a lot.
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18) (It's worth noting that this is all referring to FTX International. In addition to all of the above protections, our amendment for FTX US Derivative's margin order would only be for BTC and ETH futures using USD margin. No MNGO, and certainly no MNGO collateral.)
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19) There are a bunch of other risk engine protections and sanity checks, too, which would have caught something like this. So -- back to the oracle. It reports: "MNGO: $0.40" Is it wrong?
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20) Well, it depends on what it's promising. But probably it's just promising to tell you, literally, what MNGO is currently trading at. And, for a brief period, on some exchanges, MNGO was in fact trading at $0.40. The real problem here was using the raw oracle price.
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21) The Oracle tells you everything and nothing--the history and current state of markets. It's the risk engine's job to consume that information, and decide what positions are safe. Sometimes it can't just regurgitate The Oracle. Sometimes it has to make up its own damn mind.
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23) And, really, it's why we started FTX in the first place. Tradfi had sophisticated (sometimes!), slow, manual risk models, and--in some FCMs--fast, egregious ones. Crypto had fast, automated, broken risk models. There was an opening for a thoughtfully automated risk engine.
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Any risk engine/Oracle based system should: - Read your documentation. - Ask you for a white labelling open source version of your risk engine.
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