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8) b) "5 - SBF borrowed YFI which destroyed its price, he sold it on Binance and other exchanges - only once he was caught, did YFI go back up" False. 200 net YFI short over days does *not* destroy it! This is just off by an order of magnitude. The impact wasn't huge.
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SBF
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9) c) The post only cites twitter posts in one direction, which is not in line with "many threads of controversy". d) The third option (partially...) is massively under-specified.
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SBF
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10) Also what are the thresholds for a CREAM vote? Was that determined anywhere? What if there's a plurality but no majority?
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SBF
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11) But lurking underneath: some pretty large, nuanced issues. a) The post is anti-shorting. What exactly is the point of a borrow/lending protocol, if borrowing coins is evil? b) Most of the YFI was borrowed for liquidity and farming, not selling or shorting.
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12) c) what are CREAM's biggest risks? Well, single asset risk is one thing. But sometimes it's not the biggest. There's about $70m combined between ETY, YFI, BAL, COMP, CREAM, LINK, LEND, CRV, MTA, SUSHI, and UNI. That's similar to the FTT balance.
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13) Which has higher crash risk--FTT, or that basket together? Well, on May 1st, FTT was 15% lower. Half the DeFi coins didn't exist, the other half were on average 60% lower. Similar on 6/1, and 7/1, and 8/1. DeFi is way more volatile than FTT.
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14) In fact, it's *so* much more volatile that even though FTT is one asset and the other DeFi coins are a basket, the *correlated* part of the basket's volatility is still higher than FTT's volatility.
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15) In both directions. On 9/1, FTT was 20% higher. The *average* of the DeFi coins was 240% higher.
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16) The data is pretty clear here: The DeFi coins in CREAM pose a greater risk than FTT. Much, much greater. So much that FTT blowout risk doesn't really register compared to the other risks in DeFi right now.
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@SBF_FTX
17) If you're worried about a 60% move causing liquidations in CREAM: This has happened about once/month for the DeFi basket together recently. FTT hasn't been at a 60% different price in 2020.
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19) Well, it *is* less useful per $ than many of the other coins. But I think the community is not correctly understanding the implications of banning that much of the collateral. a) CREAM TVL down 30% b) CREAM borrowing down 40% c) Interest earned by lenders down 40%
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20) No one will use CREAM for large size again -- it loses a lot of its future value. (and, of course, some partners, liquidity, etc.) I think this probably nukes something like 20% of the protocol's value.
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SBF
@SBF_FTX
21) That's a lot! Giving up 20% of value based on an emotional, error-laden tirade to a single large voter for one of the lesser risks of the protocol. Because some people don't believe in borrowing (on a borrow-lending protocol, none the less!)
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22) So, yeah, this is a pretty crap-tastic proposal. That being said -- I think some variants would be reasonable! Want to decrease collateral to 40%? Want to cap any single asset at 20% of the total supply? IDK if those are right, but they're totally plausible.
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23) But this one-- --this one throws the baby out with the bathwater. Without having done its homework.
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SBF
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24) If that's what you want for CREAM--fine. But also then why use CREAM and not Compound? If you want a small, neatly curated list of assets in a static system, that's what Compound specializes in. In CREAM, I see a dynamic, broader protocol, for better or for worse.
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SBF
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25) But, idk, in the end this is the community's decision. Or, you know, 0xDa495C2Ab0a91623564126778D5AB20fA87C1DFc's. Either way.
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26) Anyway, we just voted to keep FTT as it is now. We would be happy to vote for a reasonable alteration--a moderate decrease in collateral weight, or 20% cap on a single coin! But the 'partial' option here is massively under-specified (as is the voting process for 3 options).
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