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    1. Terrifying TProphet‏ @TProphet May 4

      4/ Still, if you dig around in the Internet sewers of phone companies shadier than @shadytel, you can find SIP providers who list "call center" or "dialer" rates. And then you can begin get a sense of the economics of this.

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    2. Terrifying TProphet‏ @TProphet May 4

      5/ Here's an example. Starcom Partners, a phone company you have probably never heard of, can happily carry up to 5,000 simultaneous robocalls per second if you'd like. And they're just *one* of the dozens of companies out there doing it. Check it out: https://starcompartners.com/termination 

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    3. Terrifying TProphet‏ @TProphet May 4

      6/ How much does it cost, you might ask? Suppose you want to robocall Microsoft and sell SMB 1.0 timeshares to @NerdPyle. My phone number there used to be (425) 705-7xxx so we can look up the rate: 0.002353 cents per minute.

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    4. Terrifying TProphet‏ @TProphet May 4

      7/ "OK, TProphet" you might say, "but that's pretty expensive! 4 of those calls adds up to about a penny. That means 400 are a dollar. And pretty soon that adds up to real money." And you'd be right, except that the calls are billed in... 6 SECOND increments. Let that sink in.

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    5. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker May 5
      Replying to @TProphet

      Seems like it should be fixable with taxation that makes per-second billing (or just billing without a hefty minimum billed duration) completely impractical.

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    6. Terrifying TProphet‏ @TProphet May 5
      Replying to @RichFelker

      That will massively increase legitimate business phone costs.

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    7. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker May 5
      Replying to @TProphet

      I'm really okay with that, but I think it's false anyway for *legitimate* businesses. The relative cost to any business whose main activity is not calling people who did not consent to be called is irrelevant.

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    8. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker May 5
      Replying to @RichFelker @TProphet

      VoIP rates below something like 1-2¢/min with a minimum of 5¢ or so per call do not benefit anyone except abusers. It's the same issue as USPS bulk mail discount rates. They benefit abusers not normal people & legit businesses.

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    9. @landley‏ @landley May 6
      Replying to @RichFelker @TProphet

      You realize that's the exact argument people have regularly made on charging all internet traffic per megabyte, right?

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    10. @landley‏ @landley May 6
      Replying to @landley @RichFelker @TProphet

      "Oh no, internet got so cheap there's spam everywhere!" "The obvious fix is to make it expensive again. Problem solved! Backwards ho!"

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      Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker May 6
      Replying to @landley @TProphet

      Internet has legitimate reason for rate to grow. Calls to telephone numbers don't. People's available time to talk does not scale up.

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        2. Terrifying TProphet‏ @TProphet May 6
          Replying to @RichFelker @landley

          There is no legitimate reason for rate to grow. At the carrier level bandwidth is almost free.

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        3. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker May 6
          Replying to @TProphet @landley

          There are two legitimate reasons for taxation: funding public services and disincentivizing harmful economic activity. The latter especially applies here.

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        4. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker May 6
          Replying to @RichFelker @TProphet @landley

          The call recipient's attention does not scale and is a precious limited resource. Using taxes to defend it is a very good idea.

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        5. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker May 6
          Replying to @RichFelker @TProphet @landley

          I'd love to even have the option to force caller to pay $0.20 in taxes every time they call me.

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        6. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker May 6
          Replying to @RichFelker @TProphet @landley

          This would be an awesome way to fix & monetize Twitter too - give us a button on our @'s to have Twitter bill the sender $0.25.

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        7. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker May 6
          Replying to @RichFelker @TProphet @landley

          (Twitter keeps the money, it's purely to penalize unwanted @'ing.)

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        8. @landley‏ @landley May 6
          Replying to @RichFelker @TProphet

          You really don't see how rich bastards will find a way to exploit that and turn it into a revenue stream defeating any original purpose?

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        9. Terrifying TProphet‏ @TProphet May 6
          Replying to @landley @RichFelker

          There are about 3 ways I can think of to abuse this for profit but then again, I think like a hacker.

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