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    Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker May 5

    Lazyweb, do any interesting things happen if you define an analogue of Kolmogorov complexity in terms of an explicitly non-Turing-complete description language?

    9:46 AM - 5 May 2018
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      2. mork  👽‏ @corkmork May 6
        Replying to @RichFelker

        Kolmogorov complexity relates to compression, which relies on modelling probability of future context with respect to previous context. Removing backwards branches is the easiest way to eliminate Turing completeness, which also lets one solve the halting problem.

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      3. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker May 6
        Replying to @corkmork

        Right. Something unboundedly-recursive is not a reasonable "compression" anyway. Certainly "decompressible in working space not larger than a small multiple of the uncompressed data" is a reasonable constraint.

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      4. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker May 6
        Replying to @RichFelker @corkmork

        Unfortunately I don't think many "interesting things happen" aside from breaking the formal logicians' toys, since all the relevant computations are way outside the scope of practical computability anyway once you reach a certain size.

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      5. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker May 6
        Replying to @RichFelker @corkmork

        But maybe there are some interesting results that can be had for moderately small sizes, e.g. on topics like password strength.

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      6. mork  👽‏ @corkmork May 6
        Replying to @RichFelker

        Ya, would the entropy of a program without backwards branches correlate with its output? PRF which without backwards branches would need to be unrolled to the length of its output. The program entropy would be extremely low.

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      2. William D. Jones‏ @cr1901 May 5
        Replying to @RichFelker

        A TC lang can't calculate Kolmogorov complexity, so why would defining a proof in terms of a non-TC lang be more enlightening :P?

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      3. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker May 5
        Replying to @cr1901

        You're missing the point. The set of programs over which the minimum is taken is in a non-TC language. The program computing the complexity is free to be in a TC language.

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