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    1. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 12
      Replying to @RichFelker @hanno

      I'm lost, what has advertising got to do with EV certificates or the CA ecosystem?

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    2. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Apr 12
      Replying to @taviso @hanno

      They're all places where the interests of some third party that don't match (and usually conflict with) the interests of the user are still being preserved more strongly than the interests of the user.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 12
      Replying to @RichFelker @hanno

      Your claim was that because browser vendors haven't reached the same conclusion as @hanno (That commercial CAs are going to die), this proves they aren't an agent for the user. I think you've moved the goalposts here, no?

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    4. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Apr 12
      Replying to @taviso @hanno

      I think I meant the original claim more as "here's yet another place the browsers aren't acting as an agent for the user". Perhaps "proving once again..." was a poor way of saying that.

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    5. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 12
      Replying to @RichFelker @hanno

      I still don't understand, how would "[telling] the whole CA industry that it will inevitably have to go out of business" be acting as an agent for the user? I don't even know that it's true, reasonable people disagree.

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    6. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Apr 12
      Replying to @taviso @hanno

      "Preserving EV UI" was the issue, not failure to tell CA industry they're going out of business.

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    7. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 12
      Replying to @RichFelker @hanno

      Nobody claimed that in the thread? 🤔

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    8. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 12
      Replying to @taviso @RichFelker @hanno

      Where are you quoting from?

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    9. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Apr 12
      Replying to @taviso @hanno

      I read @hanno's "telling the industry" as removing EV from UI. I think others mentioned it explicitly in some branches of the thread.

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    10. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 12
      Replying to @RichFelker @hanno

      Huh, I'm familiar with the argument that ev is useless, and agree. I'm not familiar with the argument that ev is harmful, is that what you're claiming?

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      Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Apr 12
      Replying to @taviso @hanno

      Yeah. See https://stripe.ian.sh/  and especially the Safari behavior.

      4:00 PM - 12 Apr 2018
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        2. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 12
          Replying to @RichFelker @hanno

          I don't think you can have it both ways here, either ev is useless, or ev is not useless and attacks against the ev ui are harmful. Either way weak proof for the incendiary claim that "browser people" don't care about the user.

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        3. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Apr 12
          Replying to @taviso @hanno

          In the case of Safari, the EV UI actually *suppresses* the user's only easy way of seeing that the site is not the one they intended to visit.

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        4. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Apr 12
          Replying to @RichFelker @taviso @hanno

          In general, special UI presentation for EV is misleading to users, gives false sense of security and wrongly implies non-EV sites are less secure.

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        5. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 12
          Replying to @RichFelker @hanno

          I don't disagree, but this has nothing to do with the thread you replied to and certainly doesn't prove that "browser people" don't care about users. Does your crypt() implementation support DES? Who's back pocket are you in to support DES in 2018? 😜

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        6. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Apr 12
          Replying to @taviso @hanno

          FWIW I don't think they "don't care about users". I just think they give too much weight to interests of other parties who aren't the user. It's improving in some areas, but slowly.

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        7. Ryan Sleevi‏ @sleevi_ Apr 12
          Replying to @RichFelker @taviso @hanno

          So your argument is that by showing EV, they aren’t the user’s agent, but instead in the back pocket of CAs?

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        8. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Apr 12
          Replying to @sleevi_ @taviso @hanno

          Not "in the back pocket". There's no conspiracy or conflict of interest here. I just claim they give to much weight to interests of parties they don't represent & are overly conflict-adverse in ways that fail users' interests.

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        9. Ryan Sleevi‏ @sleevi_ Apr 12
          Replying to @RichFelker @taviso @hanno

          And you believe supporting EV is an illustration of that?

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        2. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS Apr 12
          Replying to @RichFelker @taviso @hanno

          Strangely getting an Amazon DV certificate served for that here ATM.

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        3. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS Apr 12
          Replying to @CopperheadOS @RichFelker and

          It did have a "Stripe, Inc. [US]" EV certificate even just a couple days ago. Maybe some issue with how the site is configured.

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        4. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Apr 12
          Replying to @CopperheadOS @taviso @hanno

          I think the EV cert finally got revoked.

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        5. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS Apr 12
          Replying to @RichFelker @taviso @hanno

          They got a new one a couple days ago though.

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        6. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS Apr 12
          Replying to @CopperheadOS @RichFelker and

          It says there: "Edit (April 11th, 2018): This site now uses a certificate issued by GoDaddy. Comodo arbitrarily revoked — without any notice — the previous certificate, saying this site was made with the intent to mislead.". Seems like their configuration is screwed up ATM.

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