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"Preserving EV UI" was the issue, not failure to tell CA industry they're going out of business.
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Nobody claimed that in the thread?

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Where are you quoting from?
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@hanno's "telling the industry" as removing EV from UI. I think others mentioned it explicitly in some branches of the thread. -
Huh, I'm familiar with the argument that ev is useless, and agree. I'm not familiar with the argument that ev is harmful, is that what you're claiming?
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Yeah. See https://stripe.ian.sh/ and especially the Safari behavior.
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I don't think you can have it both ways here, either ev is useless, or ev is not useless and attacks against the ev ui are harmful. Either way weak proof for the incendiary claim that "browser people" don't care about the user.
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In the case of Safari, the EV UI actually *suppresses* the user's only easy way of seeing that the site is not the one they intended to visit.
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In general, special UI presentation for EV is misleading to users, gives false sense of security and wrongly implies non-EV sites are less secure.
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