Putting aside how actively Google is trying to remove all capabilities they can from the commandline tools Can you even create a new project using the official SDK without the IDE?
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Replying to @Michcioperz @RichFelker
Of course, and what capabilities are missing there other than IDE features?
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Replying to @CopperheadOS @RichFelker
Last time I tried, I couldn't find the relevant docs anymore
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Replying to @Michcioperz @CopperheadOS
For whatever reason, even if it's not true, Google seems to want to create/preserve an image that there's this huge barrier to entry.
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Replying to @RichFelker @Michcioperz
There really isn't much of a barrier to entry and it works fine without the IDE. They encourage people to use the IDE because it has a lower barrier to entry than using the CLI tools, which work fine alone.
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Replying to @CopperheadOS @Michcioperz
For some really warped idea of "barrier to entry"...
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Replying to @RichFelker @Michcioperz
So what barrier to entry is there to downloading https://dl.google.com/android/repository/sdk-tools-linux-3859397.zip … from https://developer.android.com/studio/index.html … and using sdkmanager to update / install whatever you need?
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Replying to @CopperheadOS @Michcioperz
That's a start and probably ok for lots of users (but buried and hard to find and not documented). They don't even have a link to the source anywhere I can find though.
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Looks like big distros (e.g. Debian) might have it packaged tho, in which case you get most of the benefits of source (trusted reproducible build, compat with whatever arch you're running not just x86_64, ...).
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Replying to @RichFelker @Michcioperz
Debian has packages but it's a bad idea to use those. It's important to use the up-to-date tools and it really doesn't need to be installed system-wide. Can also decide to install the IDE later and it knows how to use an existing minimal SDK directory for the tools.
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Well where do you get the sources to build the SDK? This is all so awful and undocumented.
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Replying to @RichFelker @Michcioperz
Not sure why you're talking about building it now. A hello world tutorial doesn't really start with building glibc, binutils and GCC.
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Replying to @CopperheadOS @Michcioperz
A hello world tutorial doesn't start with installing some vendor's binaries for a particular arch/OS. It lets you get the right tools for your arch/OS, building them from source if needed.
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