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    Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Mar 5

    Rich Felker Retweeted Ars Technica

    The real story is that they ever used such a broken compiler to begin with...https://twitter.com/arstechnica/status/970832343496843271 …

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    Ars TechnicaVerified account @arstechnica
    Chrome on Windows ditches Microsoft’s compiler, now uses Clang http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/03/chrome-on-windows-ditches-microsofts-compiler-now-uses-clang/ … by @drpizza
    5:37 PM - 5 Mar 2018
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      2. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS Mar 5
        Replying to @RichFelker

        The ports of GCC on Windows are too broken and incomplete to be useful for anything serious, especially if you want basic exploit mitigations like ASLR to work. Clang's Windows port is a very serious one using the proper platform ABIs, etc. Can even use it via Visual Studio.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS Mar 5
        Replying to @CopperheadOS @RichFelker

        Microsoft should really think about replacing their official compiler with Clang... Clang went out of the way to work with their IDE, etc. so it's most of the way there already. Microsoft may have contributed a bit to this, not sure. They definitely made LLVM contributions.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS Mar 5
        Replying to @CopperheadOS @RichFelker

        The GCC ports can't actually use the Microsoft headers or the standard platform ABI. They don't work with the platform tools or standard Windows libraries. Clang treated it the same way they do with GCC: implementing the extensions, making a compatible CLI, respecting ABI, etc.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Mar 5
        Replying to @CopperheadOS

        There was no reason they needed the CLI, the extensions, or the MS-provided headers. Just ABI with the libs. The rest is only for compat with legacy Windows sources.

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      6. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Mar 5
        Replying to @RichFelker @CopperheadOS

        But this was about MSVC-vs-anything (e.g. clang), not specifically about GCC.

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      7. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS Mar 5
        Replying to @RichFelker

        Need full compatibility with the platform and existing tools like IDEs / debuggers to be able to take over. Clang is in a position to replace cl.exe and LLD will be in a position to replace link.exe. Intel C++ compiler, etc. is not necessarily any less bad / weird than MSVC++.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Mar 5
        Replying to @CopperheadOS

        "To be able to take over" was not topic. My tweet was about Chrome using MSVC.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS Mar 5
        Replying to @RichFelker

        Well, what should they have used? Intel's compiler? They actually had to be part of porting Clang to escape from cl.exe.

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      2. William D. Jones‏ @cr1901 Mar 5
        Replying to @RichFelker

        I mean, Windoze decided long ago that C was irrelevant so they have to keep C++ up to date. I find it _really_ impressive a number of complex codebases work fine between Microsoft and POSIX-world C++ compilers. Much better than the C situation :/.

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      3. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Mar 5
        Replying to @cr1901

        Chrome almost surely has a huge bulk of Windows-specific code making it work...

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      4. William D. Jones‏ @cr1901 Mar 6
        Replying to @RichFelker

        Perhaps, but I am always open to the idea of a codebase running on different compilers as a (underappreciated) test of portability. This unfortunately includes proprietary compilers.

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      1. Kenn White‏Verified account @kennwhite Mar 5
        Replying to @RichFelker

        You're a compiler snob, and I dig that about you.

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