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    1. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Mar 5

      Future of musl locale/strerror(). In LC_MESSAGES=C, strerror(ENOENT) = ?

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    2. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Mar 5

      Context for this lovely bikeshed here: http://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2018/03/05/2 …

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    3. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Mar 5

      And would you change answer if I told you option 1 makes libc 1k bigger, 2 makes it 1k smaller?

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    4. Cody ☕️ 🦀‏ @valarauca1 Mar 5
      Replying to @RichFelker

      If including most localizations only costs ~1-2k that seems like a fairly small price pay for better internationalization support out of the box. Save a lot of developer time, and concern. But I guess embedded folks maybe against it.

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      Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Mar 5
      Replying to @valarauca1

      Obviously things are oversimplified in a tweet. The question is whether to keep English-phrase error msgs in C locale or use the E* codes (more 'language-agnostic').

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        1. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Mar 5
          Replying to @RichFelker @valarauca1

          In the former case, it costs more size to make the translation framework clean. In the latter, making the translation framework clean also makes it smaller (and you can have English-phrase error msgs still in "en" locale, just not "C").

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        2. Michael Foukarakis‏ @mfukar Mar 5
          Replying to @RichFelker @valarauca1

          wouldn't that be contrary to the expectation for e.g. LC_ALL=C ?

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        3. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Mar 5
          Replying to @mfukar @valarauca1

          Maybe depending on what your expectations are. There's no std requirement that they be English messages.

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        4. Michael Foukarakis‏ @mfukar Mar 5
          Replying to @RichFelker @valarauca1

          No, but a locale where strerror(ENOENT)="ENOENT" is kinda useless by default. It is meaningless as localised messages in a (default) language.

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        5. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Mar 5
          Replying to @mfukar @valarauca1

          In the past I'd heard the opposite from a lot of people - that the E* codes were more useful because they could look them up in docs/manpages, whereas the English msgs required figuring out which E* code they came from.

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        6. Michael Foukarakis‏ @mfukar Mar 5
          Replying to @RichFelker @valarauca1

          I don't disagree with that, been there too.

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        7. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Mar 5
          Replying to @mfukar @valarauca1

          For that reason, I tend to like strerror(EFOO)="EFOO". Also reducing anglocentricism. But I know it's unconventional & likely controversial; that's why I'm trying to get a feel for ppls opinions on it.

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