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    1. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 2 May 2017

      "The GCC Java frontend and associated libjava runtime library have been removed from GCC." https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-7/changes.html …

      1 reply 2 retweets 4 likes
    2. Brian H₂O's‏ @int10h 2 May 2017
      Replying to @RichFelker

      Is it going to be maintained as a separate project, or is it dead?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 2 May 2017
      Replying to @int10h

      I think it's dead. In some ways that's disappointing; I actually used it successfully once to run some Java without installing runtime.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 2 May 2017
      Replying to @RichFelker @int10h

      But I'm quite thankful for the debloating of GCC and any nasty constraints on GCC internals that are eliminated by removing it.

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    5. Brian H₂O's‏ @int10h 2 May 2017
      Replying to @RichFelker

      Yeah, a bit sad if it's dead though. It was a cool project. (Despite the fact that I used it zero times in 15 years of being a FOSS user.)

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    6. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 2 May 2017
      Replying to @int10h

      Compiling Java to LLVM IR would probably be a more worthwhile project, if you want/need compiled Java, than having it tied to GCC internals.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Brendan G Bohannon‏ @cr88192 2 May 2017
      Replying to @RichFelker @int10h

      bigger issue here is more Java itself: an IMHO relatively lackluster language ruled over by draconian overlords...

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    8. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 2 May 2017
      Replying to @cr88192 @int10h

      Java is an awful language and an awful software engineering religion. Symbolic value of removing it can't be overstated.

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      Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 2 May 2017
      Replying to @RichFelker @cr88192 @int10h

      GCC's removal of GCJ lends to the narrative that Java is a language that's dying/being abandoned.

      3:52 PM - 2 May 2017
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        2. Brendan G Bohannon‏ @cr88192 2 May 2017
          Replying to @RichFelker @int10h

          yeah. what interesting aspects it has are overshadowed by what it lacks, the culture around it, and the company which tries to rule over it.

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        3. Brian H₂O's‏ @int10h 2 May 2017
          Replying to @cr88192 @RichFelker

          I actually think, in a vacuum, Java the language is a great response to C++. But agree much of SW engineering doctrine around it is bonkers.

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        4. Brendan G Bohannon‏ @cr88192 2 May 2017
          Replying to @int10h @RichFelker

          as noted, it has some interesting aspects, but also some pointless limitations; C# improved on some of this, but added some new issues.

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        5. Brendan G Bohannon‏ @cr88192 2 May 2017
          Replying to @cr88192 @int10h @RichFelker

          then there are API design issues, like special-case classes for each file-access pattern, vs a single File class which does all file IO, ...

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        6. Brendan G Bohannon‏ @cr88192 2 May 2017
          Replying to @cr88192 @int10h @RichFelker

          though, I am not a huge fan of C++ either per-se; some good engineering, but lots of cruft and complexity; and its std library went berserk.

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        7. Brian H₂O's‏ @int10h 2 May 2017
          Replying to @cr88192 @RichFelker

          I am not a fan of C++ at all. Take the subtle UB issues C has, and then compound that with a *ton* of new semantics nobody understands.

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        8. Brian H₂O's‏ @int10h 2 May 2017
          Replying to @int10h @cr88192 @RichFelker

          Like I don't see how anyone could possibly write C++ that tries to be "correct in the sense of standards-conformance and safety"

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        9. Brian H₂O's‏ @int10h 2 May 2017
          Replying to @int10h @cr88192 @RichFelker

          ...btw i shamelessly ripped that from the musl homepage.

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