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    1. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 26 Apr 2017

      CopperheadOS Retweeted Jon Oberheide

      https://twitter.com/jonoberheide/status/857243764800225280 … It will still be GPLv2 since customers are paying for sources licensed as GPLv2. Legally, they could publish it.

      CopperheadOS added,

      Jon Oberheide @jonoberheide
      TL;DR - Open Source Security, Inc. no longer releasing open source software: https://grsecurity.net/passing_the_baton.php …
      2 replies 17 retweets 28 likes
    2. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 26 Apr 2017
      Replying to @CopperheadOS

      They can (and will) stop doing business with you if you publish it but since it's still distributed as GPLv2 sources there's no legal issue.

      2 replies 8 retweets 19 likes
      Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 26 Apr 2017
      Replying to @CopperheadOS

      Retaliation against a customer for exercising their rights under the GPL would be a very interesting case to see go to court.

      9:06 AM - 26 Apr 2017
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        2. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @RichFelker

          They can decide not to accept the payment next month and stop providing access to the patches without explicitly stating the reason.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        3. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @CopperheadOS @RichFelker

          A company doesn't need to keep doing business with you. Even if it's explicitly stated why it's happening, it's hard to see a legal issue.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        4. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @CopperheadOS

          It's rather scary that ppl working w/ GPL sw like yourself see "selecting only customers who silently agree to waive GPL rights" as legal...

          2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
        5. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @RichFelker @CopperheadOS

          Attempting to circumvent the intent/spirit of the GPL is not going to be looked upon kindly by FOSS communities or by the courts.

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
        6. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @RichFelker

          There are no rights being waived. The GPL doesn't say anything about entitlement to future versions of the software. Would not make sense.

          2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
        7. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @CopperheadOS @RichFelker

          The spirit of the GPL is about user freedom, not publishing code or contributing back. They aren't what the FSF cares about or tried to do.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @CopperheadOS @RichFelker

          And all of those freedoms are intact. Future business relationship with the company producing the software is not one of the those freedoms.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        9. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @CopperheadOS

          Forget about future vers; it's a distraction. If they said "if you exercise your rights under GPL, we'll kill a kitten" it'd infringe too.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @RichFelker @CopperheadOS

          Also how are their customers supposed to do anything useful with it without publishing the source? Just use it internally?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @RichFelker @CopperheadOS

          If they have any third-party users/customers of their own they ship to, they're required to ship or offer the full source.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @RichFelker

          Sure, which is why it will primarily only be for internal use on servers or internal client devices. The patch can also be stripped down.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @CopperheadOS @RichFelker

          They are likely going to be offer discounts for patches supporting only a single architecture, but could do a lot more if they wanted to.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @CopperheadOS @RichFelker

          In theory, they could have a company provide their kernel configuration and then generate a stripped down patch for them based on that.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @CopperheadOS @RichFelker

          Remove changes in all the unused files and add #error to those to avoid any potential mistakes. They probably won't do that, but they could.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @CopperheadOS @RichFelker

          A company might just be expected to pay a lot more and use less widely applicable patches to use it for clients outside of the company.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @CopperheadOS @RichFelker

          It's also quite possible that their clients never request sources, especially if they aren't aware that they're using grsecurity kernels.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Ben Hutchings  🐝‏‏ @benhutchingsuk 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @RichFelker @CopperheadOS

          Given that this is also the business model for RHEL, yes, very interesting!

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @benhutchingsuk @CopperheadOS

          I've also seen multiple people make this claim (maybe c&p'd from HN or something?) and as far as I can tell it's nonsense.

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Ben Hutchings  🐝‏‏ @benhutchingsuk 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @RichFelker @CopperheadOS

          I don't read HN. I could just be confused.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @benhutchingsuk @CopperheadOS

          OK, just a guess - surprising that I'd seen that same (seemingly wrong) example from multiple ppl arguing about grsec.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @RichFelker @benhutchingsuk

          Red Hat will terminate your support agreement if you publish stuff, IIRC.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 26 Apr 2017
          Replying to @CopperheadOS @RichFelker @benhutchingsuk

          Still have access to the public sources, but they intentionally obfuscate stuff by applying all the patches and giving tarballs of result.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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