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    Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 9 Nov 2015

    Rich Felker Retweeted LLVM Weekly

    Uhg.https://twitter.com/llvmweekly/status/663855354577420288 …

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    LLVM Weekly @llvmweekly
    LLVM's autoconf build system is now officially considered deprecated. Long live the CMake replacement! http://reviews.llvm.org/rL252520 
    9:36 PM - 9 Nov 2015
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      2. William D. Jones‏ @cr1901 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @RichFelker

        @RichFelker It's an improvement. But not by much; the number of CMakeFiles you have to change just to start contributing overwhelms.

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      3. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @cr1901

        @cr1901 No, it's not. CMake is IMake 2.0.

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      4. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @RichFelker

        @cr1901 People who don't understand make are doomed to reinvent it, EXTREMELY POORLY.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. William D. Jones‏ @cr1901 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @RichFelker

        @RichFelker Autoconf's fatal flaw was tying itself to POSIX-like tools too heavily. I shouldn't have to use bash to compile s/w on Windows.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @cr1901

        @cr1901 Completely disagree there. POSIX is the portability standard; Windows is broken. Thankfully midipix is fixing that.

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      7. William D. Jones‏ @cr1901 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @RichFelker

        @RichFelker Does musl libc provide a Windows libc :P? The only other libc I'm aware of for Windows besides Microsoft's is OpenWatcom's.

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      8. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @cr1901

        @cr1901 Actually yes. See the midipix project. http://www.midipix.org 

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      9. William D. Jones‏ @cr1901 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @RichFelker

        @RichFelker I did see the page already; I did a double take when I read about musl having Windows support :P.

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      2. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @RichFelker

        @RichFelker CMake sucks but ninja support makes this a step forwards. The make build system is horrible for actually working on LLVM.

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      3. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @CopperheadOS

        @CopperheadSec Then replace it with a GOOD make-based build system. Not CMake.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @RichFelker

        @RichFelker AOSP is moving away from make in master to a very sane structured layer on top of ninja: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/bionic/+/master/libc/Android.bp ….

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      5. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @CopperheadOS

        @RichFelker AOSP's make build system already used an extremely templated, structured approach and they're mapping it directly to this.

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      6. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @CopperheadOS

        @RichFelker Using build systems like make (especially autotools) and CMake based on awful domain specific programming languages isn't great.

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      7. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @CopperheadOS

        @RichFelker It works fine for simple projects but it's too unreadable and complex so there's a lot that can and does go wrong at scale.

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      8. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @CopperheadOS

        @RichFelker Compare to https://android.googlesource.com/platform/bionic/+/master/libc/Android.mk …. Pretty much the same thing, but they're dropping a lot of unnecessary flexibility/overhead.

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      9. CopperheadOS‏ @CopperheadOS 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @CopperheadOS

        @RichFelker The source: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/build/blueprint/+/master …. AOSP is enormous so it makes a lot of sense for them to roll their own tool.

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      1. Ed Maste‏ @ed_maste 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @RichFelker

        @RichFelker not a fan of CMake? Either way, including two (or three, for lldb) distinct build systems is rather awkward

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      2. Shiz‏ @dev_console 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @RichFelker

        @richfelker Gross.

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      3. @landley‏ @landley 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @dev_console

        @dev_console @RichFelker Lemme guess: autoconf is gpl, cmake is bsd-ish?

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      4. Shiz‏ @dev_console 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @landley

        @landley @richfelker Aside from that being true, I think it stems from the same attitude that prefers C++ to C for these things.

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      5. @landley‏ @landley 9 Nov 2015
        Replying to @dev_console

        @dev_console @RichFelker I mean LLVM is Apple's baby, and they've been doing "the great GPL purge" for years now: http://meta.ath0.com/2012/02/05/apples-great-gpl-purge/ …

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