England and France both have about the same level of poverty (approx 14%). The poverty line is set at 60% of the median income in both countries. Here, for example, it’s set at about 40%. So their poor are less poor, and there are less *of* them.
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If you assume that every gun owner who kills somebody only kills one person (either themselves or somebody else), divide 33,000 deaths per year into 1 million gun owners. You get 30 years and 4 months. That's how long it would take to get to 1% of gun owners at the present rate.
So, sincerely, I know it seems counter-intuitive to people who don't know the data, and don't consider social and economic factors, but truly, it's not the guns *causing* gun crime. They're a symptom, not a cause. Now, I'll get to the 1993 bit...
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Sorry, before the 1993 bit: Socioeconomics are also why every single country with worse socioeconomics than the US has worse gun homicides. Most countries south of us, for example. It's a 100% correlation. Now, onto the 1993 thing:
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This is going to seem like a non-sequitur, but I don't think it is. There are many factors that led to the decline in gun homicides after its peak in 1993. But one thing to consider is this: It peaked around that time *everywhere*. Not just in the US.
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Steve - Your response is compelling and I believe in the connections between poverty and violence. The four poorest states in the US have the highest violence rates, and the 8 poorest states in US are among the 10 states with the highest gun death rates (suicide + violence).
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I just wish people would hear me out instead of freaking out, calling me a Republican, accusing me of taking money from the NRA, and then blocking me. But I can only control me. *sigh*
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I still disagree that "it's not the guns". Several groups studying this have published studies precisely supporting your point that poverty & crime interact with guns to affect suicides + violence. They also conclude that access to guns is the primary ingredient in the problem.
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If I were you, I’d check their data and/or who is funding their studies. Guns are a tool. They don’t *cause* anything. They may *enable* certain things, but the cause is still the cause. Address the cause, you fix the problem.
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Your in California. Please consider the work of Mark Kaplan at UCLA's Luskin School of Public Affairs. He would support much of what you are saying, but his judgement and that of others makes a compelling case that guns are the key ingredient. https://luskin.ucla.edu/connection-poverty-inequality-firearm-violence/ …
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I’ll look into it. But it doesn’t fit with the worldwide consistency of the relationship between bad socioeconomics and gun violence regardless of the prevalence of guns in those countries. You know?
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