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Then you add in things like availability of healthcare, mass incarceration, the drug war, etc., and we do much, much worse than those places

Two things. 1.) The basis of comparison of a ~10k per capita basis? Especially when considering a MASSIVE difference in population? Skews

the numbers rather heavily. 2.) It's also stating that the socioeconomic issues are the "heart" of the issue. They're not. If you "fix"

those issues? You will STILL have the violence and gun death issues. And the mass murder incidents. You have to get the instruments removed.

Why do you think we'd still have violence with true social justice, universal healthcare, and much less poverty? Can you cite a source?

You're kidding, right? Pick up a history text. ANY history text. Name ONE example of a Utopian society where violence wasn't involved.

I'm saying if we get our key socioeconomic levels to equal Western Europe's, our homicide rates would closely mirror theirs.

And I'm stating that without removing the access? You're still going to see roughly the same amount as current.