Harris, you need to stop interpreting incompetence & studio greed as some well thought out plan to punk the fans of the franchise. The Prequels & The Hobbit films aren't good because you can read some interesting themes into them. Those aren't there by intent.https://twitter.com/Hbomberguy/status/963673662103711746 …
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Intent does not matter when interpreting and analyzing media, only the media itself.
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Ultimately it doesn't matter whether studio greed was involved whatsoever, studio greed didn't write the movies -- a person wrote the movies. That person was buried under the system he was in, intentionally or not, this is portrayed in the films.
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So a fairly reductionist way of looking at it is that it means nothing more than the product that birthed it, and therefore doesn't deserve consideration or analysis. It does. Everything does. Because art is about generating meaning, and we must engage to find it.
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Claiming incompetence (which is problematic in and of itself, I mean, what actually makes a good movie? Good luck.) Is not a fair deflection from analysis because analysis is not about quality, it's about meaning, which regardless of purpose exists in all artistic media.
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I mean, I'm not big on the Hobbit movies as it stands, but this strange vitriol on my feed for brief, valid analysis is goofy. It's helpful towards the conversation of what these things actually mean to us. The conversation is helpful, shutting it down and shaming it is not.
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I'm not trying to shut down any conversation. My problem is that Harris always implies intent. Saying that they point out problems with the franchise at large is a good point, but that doesn't make them good on their own. I think this sums up my problemhttps://twitter.com/RationalDis/status/963693583613165568 …
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Rational Disconnect @RationalDisReplying to @RationalDis @DogOnTheRoofhe's like "Hey look! These films are worse than these other films that I didn't like & because the Hobbit takes the problems of TLOTR and makes them worse it's like they are a commentary of how bad the, less bad, problems of TLOTR is! And that makes them good!" It's dumb1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
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I think the same goes for his takes on the Prequels. They did a lot of interesting things, I think Harris gives Lucus too much credit, but that's beside the point. My problem is that he ignores that they are failed films that did some interesting things.
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At the end of the day, it's all subjective if these are "good" or "bad" films, but I feel like he cherry picks a few good elements, but ignores the films as a whole.
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I mean, he implies no intent in his statements. He claims the Hobbit films function as a criticism of LOTR, not that this was somehow the intended purpose of the trilogy.
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He also doesn't say the movies are good. Because that is irrelevant to the purpose of analysis. Your statements reduce his argument to him claiming that these were intentional choices and make the film good. Neither are the point.
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