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    1. Joel VanderWerf‏ @JoelVanderWerf 12 May 2014

      @QuiltProject interested that you mention tuplespaces in blog. Sceptical of ts based on CRDT. I work on Calvin-like https://github.com/vjoel/tupelo 

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    2. Quilt‏ @QuiltProject 13 May 2014
      Replying to @JoelVanderWerf

      @JoelVanderWerf I'd be curious as to why you'd think a CRDT could not provide tuplespace-like semantics?

      1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
    3. Joel VanderWerf‏ @JoelVanderWerf 13 May 2014
      Replying to @QuiltProject

      @QuiltProject Ah, yes, why can't tuples be CRDTs? Answer upcoming, parts 1-6.

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    4. Joel VanderWerf‏ @JoelVanderWerf 13 May 2014
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      @QuiltProject 1. A tuple *in* a space is immutable; you can only take or read it, not update it. Hence no way to apply CRDT update.

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    5. Joel VanderWerf‏ @JoelVanderWerf 13 May 2014
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      @QuiltProject 2. What if you take/modify/write a tuple? No way to track tuple identity or to merge 2 CRDT updates to "same" tuple.

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    6. Joel VanderWerf‏ @JoelVanderWerf 13 May 2014
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      @QuiltProject 3. Because tuple identity is defined by contents (like scala case classes etc.). Unlike key-value stores.

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    7. Joel VanderWerf‏ @JoelVanderWerf 13 May 2014
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      @QuiltProject 4. What if we encode identity in tuple? Breaks tuplespace semantics. More importantly, though...

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    8. Joel VanderWerf‏ @JoelVanderWerf 13 May 2014
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      @QuiltProject 5. Tuplespace ops are inherently non-commutative. Use a tuplespace when your problem demands coordination.

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    9. Joel VanderWerf‏ @JoelVanderWerf 13 May 2014
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      @QuiltProject 6. When your problem doesn't demand coordination, use coordination-free CRDT or CALM.

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      Quilt‏ @QuiltProject 13 May 2014
      Replying to @JoelVanderWerf

      @JoelVanderWerf 5/ Re: coordination/consensus, that's something that I think can be built *on top of* a suitably-constructed CRDT.

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        2. Joel VanderWerf‏ @JoelVanderWerf 13 May 2014
          Replying to @QuiltProject

          @QuiltProject Interesting thought. I'll move to the lobsters discussion... https://lobste.rs/s/s6gi7r/distributed_systems_and_the_end_of_the_api …

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        3. Quilt‏ @QuiltProject 14 May 2014
          Replying to @JoelVanderWerf

          @JoelVanderWerf Replied there. Much better venue, as my prior 140 chars on the subject left too much unsaid. :-)

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