don’t confuse “realistic and sensible” as alternative to consensus liberal order and “realistic and sensible” as move within liberal consensus-formation
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas
I mean the supposed changes they seek to international norms, such as argued in section 4 of this (basically anti-interventionism):https://macropolo.org/reluctant-stakeholder-chinas-highly-strategic-brand-revisionism-challenging-washington-thinks/ …
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Replying to @mr_scientism
maybe wrong link or wrong #. Obv anti-interventionism would be gr8 in the abstract but what is “revisionist” in the whole basket of chinese preferences is stuff like randomly redrawing borders, reorganizing institutions to give China more pie
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas @mr_scientism
Could China fight for more pie? Sure. Do they deserve more pie? Maybe. But the idea the US should rubber-stamp all Chinese pie-demands isn’t grasping how abandoning the international liberal order will work
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas
My comment isn't really about China, it's about what US elite commentary about China says about the US. And they're worried China will stop them being stupid.
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Replying to @mr_scientism
okay sure i agree with you abstractly in wishing our “foreign policy community” be sentenced to re-education camps in scenic rural Hunan
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas @mr_scientism
(but there is a strong case that China is actually revisionist whereas anti-Russian sentiment is 99% meme)
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas
I mean, obviously they're revisionist. No country would put up with the Taiwan situation. Or being surrounded by foreign military bases. Or an international order that says its political system shouldn't be allowed exist.
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Replying to @mr_scientism
(btw, both China and Russia fall under “your system is, like, totes problematic “ - but do you agree with me Russia deals with that w/o being nakedly revisionist in IR sense?)
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas
Russia doesn't have the resources to pursue change in the international order. If it did, I expect it'd be far more assertive than China.
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possibly! but the whole pt of the “revisionist” concept is to analyze whether actors are going to use their power to ignore status quo; that is endogenous, in other words (that Russia can’t only reinforces the conclusion that they won’t)
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