yeah i think we’re thinking on the same lines (but i don’t get your exact pt about monogamy - isn’t that true of *any* strategy?)
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas @toad_spotted
as *empirical* conj i agree 100% but there is no a priori reason - eg
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas @toad_spotted
it makes more sense if "offspring" is expanded to include things beyond children that nonetheless add to general social productivity.
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Replying to @cyborg_nomade @toad_spotted
yeah, as i was typing it i realized you might have been thinking about less-wrong type hopes rather than population genetics. (but as a pop genetics hyp, it is still internally incoherent, albeit implausible in a number of ways)
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas @toad_spotted
I think uploading is an idiotic idea that only nerds could have, if that helps. I'm thinking more of capital (and thus technology, in the abstract). one way to visualise it is baby factories.
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Replying to @cyborg_nomade @toad_spotted
yeah uploading, immortality, and baby factories all end in the same place; rich-get-richer dynamics finally have huge reproductive payoff (in short term) when you get capital-clan interchangeability
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but i still don’t think that is plausible/coherent wrt context where i first heard you make this pt, which was about evolutionary expl for reproductive strategies; whatever is motivating ppl trade kids for status, it’s not an ancestral environment with baby factories
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas @cyborg_nomade
Okay, fair enough. I don't think it's revealing about that. I think instead it's useful for thinking about why people suddenly start thinking "people aren't made for monogamy" as soon as fertility declines.
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Replying to @toad_spotted @cyborg_nomade
ah okay, i think i see now where you’re coming from. you’re not talking about the ESS, you’re talking about something like sepsis or the caterpillar game
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i think i may have written about this i’ll look for link later (this was where cyb-n and i first discussed this) but there are lots of other interesting possibilities
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for example monogamy could be an ESS in the strict sense but collapse when non-monogamy gets above fraction epsilon (b/c it requires some degree of homogeneity) or it could require in-group dynamics to keep monogamy stable within N mostly-endogamous populations
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